Okay, big hear me out: Punk Roman. He might’ve had his casual emo days, but his mindset was most likely “Shit sucks, and I will scream and shout until it gets better!” And, like, that's punk behavior
Not be casually remembering that Thomas went through an emo phase meaning that ALL the sides were emo at once and Virgil just stayed like that for shits and giggles💀
(Side note: someone draw an emo Roman I need to see this now)
*Slowly adds drawtectives to my Pixar Youtube theory™️ because I think it would be funny*
This art is incredibly self indulgent
Might make this my new header image, since it shows my three biggest fandoms rn: Sanders Sides, Drawfee/Drawtectives and Genloss (and QSMP and generally Slimecicle)
When I saw the crystal thing, my eyes bulged out of my head like a cartoon wolf looking at a pretty lady, I was in shock! But yeah, thought it was interesting so I decided to post about it :)
Hello! The first two I would like to tackle are the With Markiplier series and Escape the Night, and hopefully, next, I can tackle Iris and Sander's sides, talk about Dad Feels and Genloss, try and cross the talking points between them, and at the end I’ll make a post on how they’re all connected and what I think the timeline would be.
Note: I don’t know everything, this is just a theory, tell me if I’m wrong or if you like it!
Let's start with something big;
The houses. In Escape the Night season One, Two, and (arguably) Four are set in houses. In the first season, they contained the evil, trapped in the 1920s, but it sunk its way into Joey. In the second season, they broke a seal to allow them to leave the house, stuck in the Victorian era, and Joey dies and is revived by the crown of oblivion. And the fourth season is the afterlife. Or, I guess, an afterlife, set in a museum, where Joey decides to open Pandora’s box and gets trapped inside.
Now let's look at Markiplier Manor. It is Mark’s estate that he grew up in that has spirits and evil living in the house. Every time he dies, he comes back and gets closer to the entity. The entity then helps him come up with a plan to kill all his friends because the entity wants to leave the house.
Right off the bat, just looking at these two series, we see some obvious similarities. House is evil, has weird spirits roaming inside of it, and makes the people who own it murder their friends. And nobody leaves the house the same. They are still affected by this magic when they leave whether they’d like to admit it or not. Remember this, I’ll come back to it.
Every single time someone new is invited to the chaos, it always comes in a little invitation. Whether written by him or by someone pretending to be him, it always comes in a letter. And what do we get before ‘Who Killed Markiplier’ came out?
Exactly.
Evil house, invitation, good people turning into bad people, and death. In Joey's, there is a lot more beating around the bush, but it gives us a lot of information on how the world works. This leads me to my next point.
The idea of time not being linear, hoping through universes, and getting stuck in loops over and over again. Their dimension-hopping and teleporting back and forth between time all comes... from stones. In Mark’s Space series, you, as the player, replay events, restart over and over again, teleport to different times, and teleport to different universes. And it's all thanks to the warp crystal, this little, blue, glowing crystal tower. It was also used to power the warp core, which caused time loops and paradoxes, and the warp device, which allowed teleportation to different universes.
And now let's look at Escape the Night. Specifically, at the very end of season four, where Bretman and Colleen used ‘The cosmic sphere’ to open a portal and escape purgatory. And what is in the center of this device?
A little blue crystal tower.
This. This one little detail is huge! They look the exact same, they do the exact same things, and they both need to be attached to something to be used properly. And, when attached to something different, it does something different. When attached to the box in Heist, it gives you whatever item you want or need, assuming it takes it from a different time or universe. When attached to the warp core, it's supposed to cause the ship to warp to where it needs to go but caused a time loop in the process. When attached to the warp device, it teleports you to random points across the multiverse. All of the devices work, but it acts erratically and unreliably. But when attached to the cosmic sphere, it projects a portal that you can then walk through. No weirdness, no unpredictability, just exactly where they needed to go.
(My working theory is that the warp crystal needs to be in the cosmic sphere to work properly. If it isn’t, it will be unpredictable.)
The crystal was taken from the afterlife, purgatory. A place completely identical to this one, but slightly different. Darker, scarier, a place filled with spirits and evil, Dark entities.
Kinda sounds like Mark’s upside-down, don’t you think?
But the real question is which one comes first? Well, let's look at what time period each ETN season came from. The events of what happened in the show are linear to how they come out, but the dates of what happens change the timeline completely. Season 2 was the Victorian era, which was between 1837 to 1901. Season 1 was in the 1920s, very cut and dry. And season four was mainly set in the 1940s, but can go completely across time. We know this from the things collected from the different time periods. (Irrelevant for this post, but season three is set in the 1970s.)
And Who Killed Markiplier, according to Google, is set somewhere between the 1920s and the 1950s, meaning the order of events would’ve been S2, S1, WKM, S4, S3. God damn time fuckery, making my job hard.
In season one, the original manor, they ‘contained’ the evil, meaning it couldn’t leave the house. Or we thought it couldn’t leave the house until we see Joey leave the house being corrupted by this evil. Meaning that the evil needs to inhabit someone so it can bring others in. The longer in the house, the worse the effects get. The same thing with Mark’s manor. Two, unnamed, evil entities leave the house through both Celine’s body and your body.
What I’m trying to imply is that, maybe, Mark’s manor is the same house in ETN season 1. “But Devon,” I hear you asking, “How does that make sense? Mark would have to have owned the house at the same time as Joey for that to make sense, considering Mark grew up in the house and Joey ‘inherits’ it at the very beginning.” And to that, I say, “Consider the pockets of time.”
If Joey exists in this pocket of time and then leaves to go back to the modern world, that means the person that owns the house no longer exists. At least, not at that time. Mark was 28 when he made ‘Who Killed Markiplier,’ Meaning he lived in his own place for a while. Since Mark grew up in that time and that house, and since Joey abandoned that house in the 1920s, that means the exact events that happened in that house happened around 1948 at least, which puts us squarely in our timeline.
If Mark’s Manor and Joey’s estate are the same, then that means that the evil and the entities are the same beings. Just like how the warp crystal and the cosmic sphere are the same stone. However, I would like to add one last thing.
Cc! Mark has said that the entities not only trick C! Mark into doing their bidding but also convince Mark that it was his idea the whole time. That idea was to have Wilford kill him in a game of Russian Roulette, have everyone turn on him and kill him as well, and then him and the entity could take his body and get out of there. And I’ve noticed that death description fits two deaths in escape the night season one.
The death of Timmothy DeLaGetto, also known as ‘The Mobster.’
And the death of Arthur.
For those who don’t know, Arthur’s entire role was to manipulate the evil to do what he wants. He was ‘The butler’ of the house, convincing all of the other past owners to feed into the evil so he can do what he wants. It feels like he’s not just working as a butler for the owner, but a butler for the evil. He gets found out, the remaining guests free his brother, the brother then shoots the other two residents of the house along with Arthur.
If I were to guess, Arthur doesn’t like being dead. So after Joey leaves, the bodies get cleaned up, Mark and his family move in, and Arthur is forced to watch Mark, Damien, and William grow up in front of him. Arthur gets replaced with Benjamin, Mark falls in love with Celine, Celine after realizing the house is evil (Because she’s a seer) leaves the house and runs away with William, Damien becomes Mayor, Mark feels worthless and alone and kills himself.
Arthur talks to Mark, Arthur convinces the evil to bring him back, Mark comes back, Mark kills himself, so on and so forth. The entity that works with Mark being Arthur makes sense. He would know that killing Wilford like that would work because he’s seen it work. Once with the mobster and once with him. All he did was combine the two and convince Mark he came up with it.
When Celine comes into the picture, he’s ecstatic because he gets the chance to not just get his own body, but a more powerful body. A body that could do what his and Wilford’s couldn’t. Talk to the beyond and commune with other entities. So he changed the plan and had Mark kick out Celine and Damien from their bodies, forcing them to take yours when they die. But not without taking some evil on their way out.
But, of course, this is just the beginning. This isn’t the last time we see the evil. The evil spreads, and my god does it spread.
(Author’s Note: Joey needs better friends both in and out of canon.)
I love that Tumblr users are so much more accepting of redditors than they are of Twitter users. Idk, it tickles me
Hello! The first two I would like to tackle are the With Markiplier series and Escape the Night, and hopefully, next, I can tackle Iris and Sander's sides, talk about Dad Feels and Genloss, try and cross the talking points between them, and at the end I’ll make a post on how they’re all connected and what I think the timeline would be.
Note: I don’t know everything, this is just a theory, tell me if I’m wrong or if you like it!
Let's start with something big;
The houses. In Escape the Night season One, Two, and (arguably) Four are set in houses. In the first season, they contained the evil, trapped in the 1920s, but it sunk its way into Joey. In the second season, they broke a seal to allow them to leave the house, stuck in the Victorian era, and Joey dies and is revived by the crown of oblivion. And the fourth season is the afterlife. Or, I guess, an afterlife, set in a museum, where Joey decides to open Pandora’s box and gets trapped inside.
Now let's look at Markiplier Manor. It is Mark’s estate that he grew up in that has spirits and evil living in the house. Every time he dies, he comes back and gets closer to the entity. The entity then helps him come up with a plan to kill all his friends because the entity wants to leave the house.
Right off the bat, just looking at these two series, we see some obvious similarities. House is evil, has weird spirits roaming inside of it, and makes the people who own it murder their friends. And nobody leaves the house the same. They are still affected by this magic when they leave whether they’d like to admit it or not. Remember this, I’ll come back to it.
Every single time someone new is invited to the chaos, it always comes in a little invitation. Whether written by him or by someone pretending to be him, it always comes in a letter. And what do we get before ‘Who Killed Markiplier’ came out?
Exactly.
Evil house, invitation, good people turning into bad people, and death. In Joey's, there is a lot more beating around the bush, but it gives us a lot of information on how the world works. This leads me to my next point.
The idea of time not being linear, hoping through universes, and getting stuck in loops over and over again. Their dimension-hopping and teleporting back and forth between time all comes... from stones. In Mark’s Space series, you, as the player, replay events, restart over and over again, teleport to different times, and teleport to different universes. And it's all thanks to the warp crystal, this little, blue, glowing crystal tower. It was also used to power the warp core, which caused time loops and paradoxes, and the warp device, which allowed teleportation to different universes.
And now let's look at Escape the Night. Specifically, at the very end of season four, where Bretman and Colleen used ‘The cosmic sphere’ to open a portal and escape purgatory. And what is in the center of this device?
A little blue crystal tower.
This. This one little detail is huge! They look the exact same, they do the exact same things, and they both need to be attached to something to be used properly. And, when attached to something different, it does something different. When attached to the box in Heist, it gives you whatever item you want or need, assuming it takes it from a different time or universe. When attached to the warp core, it's supposed to cause the ship to warp to where it needs to go but caused a time loop in the process. When attached to the warp device, it teleports you to random points across the multiverse. All of the devices work, but it acts erratically and unreliably. But when attached to the cosmic sphere, it projects a portal that you can then walk through. No weirdness, no unpredictability, just exactly where they needed to go.
(My working theory is that the warp crystal needs to be in the cosmic sphere to work properly. If it isn’t, it will be unpredictable.)
The crystal was taken from the afterlife, purgatory. A place completely identical to this one, but slightly different. Darker, scarier, a place filled with spirits and evil, Dark entities.
Kinda sounds like Mark’s upside-down, don’t you think?
But the real question is which one comes first? Well, let's look at what time period each ETN season came from. The events of what happened in the show are linear to how they come out, but the dates of what happens change the timeline completely. Season 2 was the Victorian era, which was between 1837 to 1901. Season 1 was in the 1920s, very cut and dry. And season four was mainly set in the 1940s, but can go completely across time. We know this from the things collected from the different time periods. (Irrelevant for this post, but season three is set in the 1970s.)
And Who Killed Markiplier, according to Google, is set somewhere between the 1920s and the 1950s, meaning the order of events would’ve been S2, S1, WKM, S4, S3. God damn time fuckery, making my job hard.
In season one, the original manor, they ‘contained’ the evil, meaning it couldn’t leave the house. Or we thought it couldn’t leave the house until we see Joey leave the house being corrupted by this evil. Meaning that the evil needs to inhabit someone so it can bring others in. The longer in the house, the worse the effects get. The same thing with Mark’s manor. Two, unnamed, evil entities leave the house through both Celine’s body and your body.
What I’m trying to imply is that, maybe, Mark’s manor is the same house in ETN season 1. “But Devon,” I hear you asking, “How does that make sense? Mark would have to have owned the house at the same time as Joey for that to make sense, considering Mark grew up in the house and Joey ‘inherits’ it at the very beginning.” And to that, I say, “Consider the pockets of time.”
If Joey exists in this pocket of time and then leaves to go back to the modern world, that means the person that owns the house no longer exists. At least, not at that time. Mark was 28 when he made ‘Who Killed Markiplier,’ Meaning he lived in his own place for a while. Since Mark grew up in that time and that house, and since Joey abandoned that house in the 1920s, that means the exact events that happened in that house happened around 1948 at least, which puts us squarely in our timeline.
If Mark’s Manor and Joey’s estate are the same, then that means that the evil and the entities are the same beings. Just like how the warp crystal and the cosmic sphere are the same stone. However, I would like to add one last thing.
Cc! Mark has said that the entities not only trick C! Mark into doing their bidding but also convince Mark that it was his idea the whole time. That idea was to have Wilford kill him in a game of Russian Roulette, have everyone turn on him and kill him as well, and then him and the entity could take his body and get out of there. And I’ve noticed that death description fits two deaths in escape the night season one.
The death of Timmothy DeLaGetto, also known as ‘The Mobster.’
And the death of Arthur.
For those who don’t know, Arthur’s entire role was to manipulate the evil to do what he wants. He was ‘The butler’ of the house, convincing all of the other past owners to feed into the evil so he can do what he wants. It feels like he’s not just working as a butler for the owner, but a butler for the evil. He gets found out, the remaining guests free his brother, the brother then shoots the other two residents of the house along with Arthur.
If I were to guess, Arthur doesn’t like being dead. So after Joey leaves, the bodies get cleaned up, Mark and his family move in, and Arthur is forced to watch Mark, Damien, and William grow up in front of him. Arthur gets replaced with Benjamin, Mark falls in love with Celine, Celine after realizing the house is evil (Because she’s a seer) leaves the house and runs away with William, Damien becomes Mayor, Mark feels worthless and alone and kills himself.
Arthur talks to Mark, Arthur convinces the evil to bring him back, Mark comes back, Mark kills himself, so on and so forth. The entity that works with Mark being Arthur makes sense. He would know that killing Wilford like that would work because he’s seen it work. Once with the mobster and once with him. All he did was combine the two and convince Mark he came up with it.
When Celine comes into the picture, he’s ecstatic because he gets the chance to not just get his own body, but a more powerful body. A body that could do what his and Wilford’s couldn’t. Talk to the beyond and commune with other entities. So he changed the plan and had Mark kick out Celine and Damien from their bodies, forcing them to take yours when they die. But not without taking some evil on their way out.
But, of course, this is just the beginning. This isn’t the last time we see the evil. The evil spreads, and my god does it spread.
(Author’s Note: Joey needs better friends both in and out of canon.)
Been working hard and, simultaneously, hardly working. But I have a question for all of you;
If it's posted all at once, it may be more confusing, but all of the info will be there. It also may take longer
If it's posted in parts, it will be easier to digest but harder to understand overall in the long run. It time will be shorter, but will come out in parts with time in between
Okay, so, like, I’m connecting them, and like??? There's more evidence??? Than I thought there’d be???
I don’t wanna spoil too much, because I’m not done, but I’ll give you three words:
Evil Fucking House.
Me, looking at every YouTube series: These bitches are connected, I know it
Me, looking at every YouTube series: These bitches are connected, I know it
I’m so sad :( I wanna go to vidcon to see Matpat and Ash but I have no one to go with :((((
@heavy-metal-papillon I love this so much, I had to extrapolate
So, I said this in a post a little while ago, but Actor manipulates the shit out of Roman, constantly planting ideas of how similar they are and talking about how everyone else is going to abandon them so he should stay vigilant. And Roman, who wants to believe the best in his friends but is self-conscious (very notably in the series), trusts fully in Actor, loving his natural creative genius and his ability to create in general. And Actor loves how much Roman feeds his ego, so of course he keeps him around.
However, Janus sees right through Actor’s bullshit. (My characterization of Janus is a bit sympathetic, so hang with me.) He doesn’t necessarily like Roman, but he’s not stupid. He knows Actor is only using Roman. And, in turn, using Thomas. He isn’t quite sure what Actor is capable of, but he is not going to let Roman or Actor push him or anyone away.
So while Actor is trying to convince Roman to be his right-hand man and leave the others behind because ‘they’re just going to leave him anyways,’ Janus is working around the clock to A) Find out Actor’s true intentions and past (spoilers: it ain't great) and B) Make sure Roman is always hanging out with the other sides. In his mind, even Remus bothering him is better than Roman hanging out with Actor.
And Roman is confused, conflicted with everything he feels between everyone, but is none the wiser.
I’m adopting this head-canon
With the new cartoon therapy episode that came out today I was thinking about how Picani has “moved offices” every episode and honestly I think the team should play on that idea as if Picani is an entity that shows up randomly whenever someone needs him. I want a character to walk in one day and say something like:
“Yeah I don’t remember this office building being here, it kind of just showed up one day and I decided to make an appointment”
Before he goes too far, he reaches back and grabs it
If you kicked jameson so hard he flies away do you think his hat would stay where he used to be in classical rubberhose slapstick style
Happy pride! 😁❤️🏳️🌈
THEY SWITCH
Ah yes Antiplier and Darksepticeye my favs <3
Remus and Roman being stuck together and called ‘King’ is actually very terrifying when you consider what a ‘Rat King’ is.
Every time I read this post, I read in the ‘rap battles of histories’ voice
And everytime we kiss I swear I can fly
adhd vs autism
Can I ask for your opinion on people comparing sanders sides to iris/Jacksepticeye’s egos when it comes to the wait time and how the stories have been handled? I’ve seen some discussion on people comparing both from that angle, and would be curious to know if you have any thoughts on that.
Btw I understand if you choose to ignore this ask since it does involve criticism stuff. Just would like to get perspective on this from someone who knows both a lot better (I am not super familiar with jse myself but I have been in the tss fandom for a while).
Hope you have a good day regardless!
Thank you, I hope you have a good day as well!
And yeah, I’ll talk about this a bit. As long as this is coming from a view to discuss and think reasonably and rationally and not a view of pure, burning, blind rage just cause. (Also, this is going to be long because I have a lot to say)
Personally, I have no problem with the wait from either creator. I can consume other forms of media for the time being. I enjoy their content greatly, and I dabble in artworks and fanfictions while I wait, but I’m not reliant. And it's not like these people are creating nothing. They still have other stuff for us to enjoy. Like Jack’s gaming content or Thomas’s shorts or videos with Sleep or the star signs or the planets. Hell, Thomas is working on a video for Picani right now!
Also, people don’t realize that these things take a long time. They both have to go to places, set up equipment, record multiple takes, and repeat since both of them deal with multiple characters. And then the whole thing has to be spliced together and edited to make a coherent story. And of course, Thomas is going to take longer because he’s doing more. Yes, Jack has to add glitchy effects to his editing, but Thomas is literally making music for us to consume and enjoy. Do you know how long it takes to make music? That adds more writing, more editing, background music production, and more recording on top of the stuff he already has to do.
And both come from small teams of people with a lot of things to do, so it's going to be expected when things take a while to come out.
The stories, on the other hand, I find a weird thing to compare (if they are being compared, I haven’t seen anything since I blocked the tag.) They are completely different genres after all. Thomas’s series is supposed to be more feel-good mental health help, with a hint of drama. (That, naturally, is gonna take more research.) Jack is making an analog horror. Things are going to be different. Also, Jack is just starting his series! He had to pause production because of COVID and just finished his video with Chase that he wanted to finish in 2019! We shouldn’t compare apples to oranges, but we definitely shouldn’t compare when one of the fruit isn’t even ripe yet.
Lastly, I find it weird to compare these people at all. Why? Because they’re people. It's like not going to college and then your mom going “Your brother went to college, you know.” We shouldn’t compare Thomas to Sean because Thomas isn’t Sean. People go at things at their own pace. People have their own personal struggles to deal with. And these people are people, not a content farm for you to throw your rotten tomatoes at whenever you feel.
And I’m not saying you have to like these people, I just think other factors go into both series that people don’t consider. Like personal struggles or where they live. (Not to get political, but Florida is kinda a shithole right now. Stay safe if you live in that part ❤️)
But yeah, sorry if this was long, these are my feelings on the matter.
(Also, if you want to compare, Markiplier made a movie, so 🤷 /j)
Sorry rick 😔
Out of all of these universes, which one screams ‘Nepo Baby?’
And I don’t mean characters or the actual people themselves. I mean which universe has the most privilege and is annoying about it? Which one is most likely to shout ‘do you know who my parents are?!’ in the name of strive?
OH GOD!
RICH!! I MEANT RICH
@nico-the-overlord
Out of all of these universes, which one screams ‘Nepo Baby?’
And I don’t mean characters or the actual people themselves. I mean which universe has the most privilege and is annoying about it? Which one is most likely to shout ‘do you know who my parents are?!’ in the name of strive?
Out of all of these universes, which one screams ‘Nepo Baby?’
And I don’t mean characters or the actual people themselves. I mean which universe has the most privilege and is annoying about it? Which one is most likely to shout ‘do you know who my parents are?!’ in the name of strive?
What?? Why??? That would just be bad for everyone involved!!
I just saw your post replying to an ask about Thrussy and I have zero context as to what Thrussy is.
But
T H R U S S Y
Thrussy(noun): antis throat wound, but in a sexy way
I’m sweating
:)
You can only reblog this today.
A ship between all the sides (Including Orange and Thomas) would spell out DIPLOMAT
Deceit
Intrusivity
Princey
Logic/Logan
Orange side
Morality
Anxiety
Thomas
Feel free to do with this as you please (as long as creativity twins is purely Platonic/Familial, of course)
If I had a dime yadda yadda time loop yadda yadda two nickels
(very cool, very awesome, love this ❤️)
this is highly inspired by Fins ( @fear-is-nameless) timeline series, I noticed that no ones really gone and done a timeline (that I’ve seen) for the discord and youtube incidents of May 2019, so I’m gonna do it, about 4 years late, hooray :P
Hit the keep reading cuz this is gonna be long!
along with tagging fin I should probably tag @isas-theory-wall and @jselorekeeper for this
Keep reading
Yummy 😋
Me, looking at two characters that don’t know each other and are from completely different medias: Their relationship is so toxic 🥰
Wilford can rizz the fuck outta anyone whenever he wants, no constructive criticism on this post specifically please/j