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-"has liam submitted anything to you, then?" -"has he submitted anything? just... just. himself." -"okay."

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nme, august 22 2009

I've been thinking about the time Noel did that interview where he said, "Liam is in love with me," and it still blows my mind how he got away with saying that without so much as an arched eyebrow from the media or general public.

My guy, there is a MASSIVE difference between saying your brother LOVES you and is IN LOVE with you. Like, Grand Canyon sized difference.

Everyone hopes their siblings love them, even just a little bit. But being in love with someone has completely different implications altogether. Being in love with someone suggests a level of romantic desire and/or sexual desire, which is not something one would usually attribute to their baby brother... unless, of course, they knew for certain that it was correct because it had been acted upon or voiced out loud before.

Which leads to the other crazy part about that statement - "he hates that he's in love with me."

If the in love bit was a sucker punch, then that last line is an upper cut and knockout. NOEL DO YOU HEAR THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH??!

And once again, no one thought to go, whoa hold on a quick second. They just rolled with it and said, yeah sure makes sense.

Why. Why didn't someone pursue that line. Why didn't anyone have the balls to say, how do you know he's in love with you? Or better yet, Why are you projecting your feelings onto your little brother?

Because that statement of "he hates that he's in love with me" couldn't be further from the truth. If we all know anything about Liam, it's that he, no matter at what point their fued was at, he was never shy to admit how much he loved Noel or how fond of his brother he was.

And here's Noel - bitter, angry and yet, still incapable of letting go of the one thing he's so bitter and angry about - his little brother. Here's Noel with his happy Stepford life: his beautiful (if slightly crazy) wife, his 2.5 kids, the dog, the white picket fence - the dream life. But no matter how well he's doing or how happy he seems, he still can't get over that last hill:

He's in love with his brother. And he hates that he's in love with him.

not noel “singing” take me vyeeeeee

Why I think that Liam’s voice was permanently damaged during the Be Here Now tour and how that happened

Why was Liam so anxious that he would become useless during the time of Oasis' third album, and why was his mentality so shattered? The instrument that a vocalist possesses is his own voice, and other members who use instruments that exist physically can repair and replace them with other instruments if they break, but that's not the case with voices.

And Oasis was not run in a way that respected that. This is the recorded performance schedule from 1993 to 1998 Australia/New Zealand tour, and after that, it continued with 7 performances in South America before finally ending the third album tour. And when they weren't performing - during the gap period, the album was recorded, and even during the tour, B-side recordings were done here and there.

They worked Liam’s voice to death with such a tough schedule that didn't give him a single moment to rest his voice. When Liam thought that his throat would get damaged if he continued performing like that, he had no choice but to get off the stage and get criticized by the band, the press and the fans. He even had to worry that someone else would take his place if he couldn't perform.

The recording of the third album was particularly tough, and songs like Fade In/Out pushed Liam to his limits, and it is said that after recording the song, Liam was unable to sing for a week. And the song was on the set list 64 times out of the 81 shows of the third album tour.

He continued performing with a tight schedule, and was diagnosed with nodules in his neck by a doctor on December 4, 1997, the second day of the Dublin performance (so Noel performed on the second and third days). The doctor said he had to take a break from performing for a few weeks, but it was impossible because there were so many performances left^^ After taking a two-day break and getting a steroid prescription, he performed until the end of March 1998.

They had a lot of year-end performances planned for the Christmas, but the doctor said the singer has a problem with his throat and he has to rest for a few weeks. Of course, if they adjusted the performance schedule, it would have costed money, but the singer's voice would’ve been damaged if they didn’t. If they knew how irreplaceable his voice was, theywouldn't have done it that way.

Did you know that the third album cycle was the only time they didn’t have a large outdoor/stadium concert since their debut album? They already did Knebworth for their second album and played a stadium for their fourth album, so if they had replaced it with a large-scale concert for their third album, wouldn't they have been able to reduce the number of concerts? But they didn't.

The number of shows Liam had to perform without resting after being diagnosed with nodules. It went downhill from there, Liam’s voice never fully recovered after this

(Translation @/dstrbnc text on Twitter)

he literally would've babytrapped his brother but sadly he couldn't. so the band it was

Lyric Analysis #2 - Lock All The Doors (version 1)

Hi there! It’s been a long time, huh? Anyway: welcome to the new post of Gallaghercest: a lyric analysis of Lock All The Doors — the first one. Because Noel had the boldness of not being satisfied with just one version, so he did three.

Today I’ll do a lyric analysis, and this time I’ll do it in the way I normally do: I’ll go paragraph by paragraph, line by line, and it will be an analysis focused on the meaning of the lyrics. I made this analysis originally in a conversation with María, and I’m going to show it to you now, guys, and I hope you enjoy it!

Disclaimer: this is a theory made by myself, based in conversations I had with my friends and months of analysis, suffering, nights of insomnia and tears. Don’t know if everything is veridical, but at least, it’s a way that I found to “light” up our way and try to find some proper fucking answers to this stuff.

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That time Noel car chased Liam to stress that Wonderwall’s indeed about a girl

So... this was supposed to be Wonderwall's single cover:

The photographer (Michael Spencer Jones) had brought Liam to Primrose Hill in London to take that shot but both were interrupted by what he described as a "black cab that came to a screeching halt". From that said running cab, came out Noel, allegedly shouting that Liam - "our kid" - was not to be on that cover as Wonderwall is a love song, about a girl. According to Michael, Noel downward hated the thought of Liam being on the cover.

The girl on the actual cover was a Creation Records employee in the exact same pose:

So, being incredibly grateful for the mental image this article gifted me with, I decided to make a post summing up the many Wonderwall meanings according to Noel.

Disclaimer : I think Wonderwall's about Liam, just putting it out there.

My own thought is that Noel can't say this because, and to quote him "it would look bad" see this interview excerpt about the song dirty shirt in 1997:

"Meg is the girl in the dirty shirt. (...) Liam will read this and say, You fucking wanker! Because he thinks all the songs are about him. He even thinks Wonderwall is about him. So he'll be telling me it's a geezer in a dirty shirt really, except I couldn't say that because it would look bad."

Apart from the absolute chaotic reaction of having the lead singer star on the cover of the lead single, Noel, I think, obviously wanted Liam to sing it, initially.

Liam had been given a choice between this and Don't look back in anger by Noel, who stressed many, many, times throughout the years that Liam didn't like the song when he first heard it (I'd say covertly disappointed). Also he gave different versions of whatever Liam said about it : 

But Liam, first time he heard "Wonderwall" he said, "That's puff's music, I'm not sing that." For weeks and weeks and weeks he wouldn't sing it, and then he heard me singing it and then he knew. in 1996  "(pissy voice) Wonderwall, it's fucking dance record, innit? All that hip hop drum beat - we're not a fucking dance group. Of course, once he's sung on it it was the best record ever made." "I said, ‘You’re singing one or the other, but not both.’ He hated Wonderwall. He said it was trip-hop. There speaks a man who’s never heard trip-hop." In a recent interview "Everyone in the band went, 'I'm sorry but I don't f*****g think so," "I remember Our Kid saying, and I'll never forget this, 'Why are you writing reggae songs?' And I was like, there speaks a man that has never heard reggae."

In 2023, Liam confirmed that as he first heard Wonderwall being played “I didn’t like it at first, I thought it was a little funky.” And Bonehead, added, “It sounded like a reggae song to me. The first time [Noel] came in, I was like, ‘What the hell’s that?”. (Far Out Magazine).

Which I get as Noel's acoustic version is very different from Oasis version with Liam on vocal. But anyway, Noel often mentioned that when Liam's reluctant to sing one of the songs he pretends he will sing it himself and this way Liam like clockwork jumps on it, and that's exactly what he said for Wonderwall + told Liam it will be a hit, and immediately, Liam wouldn't let go of it.

So my guess is that the 'choice' was just a snare to make Liam do what he wants, as Noel likes to do.  And also a bit of power play at hand there in an attempt to ground 1995 firework Liam and as Noel said again in 2023 "to have a song on his own" as he was getting annoyed by Liam walking out on him.

"The only time I laid down the law was Wonderwall and Don’t Look Back In Anger. "I was so fucked off with him walking off stage and me having to take over and do the gig. I remember thinking, if I’m going to do this, I want a big fucking song to sing." + "I said, ‘You’re singing one or the other, but not both.’

Liam said between 1995-96 “When Our Kid went, ‘Right, you’ve got a choice, “Wonderwall” or “Don’t Look Back In Anger,” ’ it done me head in,” the singer told NME. “I said, ‘I wanna sing both, you dick.’ But I chose ‘Wonderwall’ ’cos it was right and it happened. But I don’t think I could have sung ‘Don’t Look Back In Anger’ the way he sung it. And when I hear it I think it’s great.”

Additionally in 2023, Noel kinda slipped and said "I'm glad I chose that one" after saying Liam chose it when a record label person said it would be their big hit.

But what is interesting is as their relation deteriorated Noel changed the Wonderwall story:

Around 1996-1997 "I wanted to sing Wonderwall because the guitars are accoustic but our kid insisted that he wanted to sing it. So I said Alright im going to do DLBIA"

In 1997, in the book Getting High: The Adventures of Oasis by Paolo Hewitt, he wrote "according to Owen Noel wanted to sing wonderwall which makes perfect sense, he had written the song with Meg in mind, it was the only way he knew how to properly express his love for her with the song detailing her struggle to find work but celebrating her ability to bounce back against the odds. So we finished Wonderwall, and Liam's Right I'm singing this one. And he did a blinding vocal a brilliant vocal."

in 1998  Noel went "I always wanted to sing "Wonderwall", but I'm glad he sang it 'cos he sings it better than I do."

or when asked on a TV show in 2000 'If I wrote wonderwall I wouldn't want to give that to my brother to sing', Noel said that he did not but they had a long heated debate on who will sing it and in the end, he didn't have a choice because Liam's 'bottom lip went too far down towards his kneecaps' 'he looked very very sad' and he said alright he will sing the other one don't look back in anger.

And only recently in 2021, he went back to the original story:

“He wanted to sing ‘Don’t Look Back In Anger’, but it became apparent during the recording that ‘Wonderwall’ was going to be the tune. If I’m being honest, I shouldn’t have sung either of them because I wasn’t really a singer then.”

I mean every critic agrees that Liam gave one of his most impressive vocals singing that song "both cuttingly sharp and heartbreakingly warm at the same time" Noel said he '"had no idea, even after the first album, that Liam could sing like he did on 'Wonderwall,'" and that he did " a sterling job (...) ‘Wonderwall, ‘Hey Now’ and ‘Cast No Shadow’ were literally one take. He delivers my songs spot-on. He knows." So it's a bit strange that he didn't just go on saying that like other songs such as Slide Away Liam's delivery gave it a special edge.

Personally I think it has to do with the meaning of the song for their relationship. There is a lot of hope and commitment in that song all while acknowledging the anger and difficulties of a relationship.

An other thing that struck me as important was, in an oasis book it was reported that while watching Wonderwall win some chart thing on TV Noel turned to the person writing and started going on about how high the wibbling rivalry was on the charts in comparison to the oasis tracks. So what came up to his mind was the 'Liam fight track' while listening to the song, weirdly enough.

And about the meaning --->

Originally, Noel attributed this song to his then girlfriend Meg Matthews as we know. She was compared to a schoolboy's wall to which posters of footballers and pop stars are attached, Noel told Select magazine

"It's about my girlfriend. She was out of work, and that, a bit down on her luck, so it's just saying, 'Cheer up and f---in get on with it.'" After Liam's and Noel's infamous interaction with their Father, he even told her directly as much albeit gave it a a more romantic meaning "Fucking hell Meg, you're meant to be my wonderwall and you were fast asleep when it all went off. What kind of Wonderwall are you?" or when a cover of the song came out and she thought Noel had plagiarized the song he wrote for her he told her " 'No, honestly, I did write about you...!"

Now, idk how reliable he is but their father said that the wall actually existed and it was Noel's and Liam's :

"both Noel and Liam's original ‘wonderwall’ was actually the wall of the bedroom they used to _ share as children in their — ex-council house. ‘They called it their wonderwall" "in 1983 they both started writing on the wall, bits of songs, poems, favourite bands, football teams. In one corder Noel wrote 'I love Diane Jones’ and underneath in the same writing, “Liam _ is a puff”. They'd fight terribly about who had the most writing space. | didn't touch it for years but | wallpapered - it before Christmas."

Meg has been written at the time as "The only girl he had met who came close to being as important as his music and the one who understood him better than almost everyone else."

But Noel then stuck to the following version about the song's name, that it came from Wonderwall Music the debut solo album by George Harrison and the soundtrack to the 1968 film Wonderwall, (She lives next door to a man who becomes fascinated with her, so he slowly makes holes in his wall so he can watch her through it. This is the "Wonderwall.").

Meg said that "George Harrison wrote the music to the film Wonderwall, so that's the reference, but to me it's about being his wall of strength. His solidity." She never asked him directly and found out the meaning in the papers months later. So idk if this is her interpretation or if Noel said something about the actual meaning.

Then in 2003, in Q magazine's 1001 Best Songs Ever, Noel backtracked, "The meaning of that song was taken away from me by the media who jumped on it. And how do you tell your Mrs. it's not about her once she's read it is? It's about an imaginary friend who's going to come and save you from yourself."

and In 2023 Noel pinned him saying the song was about Meg on this specific cover "We did the cover and there's a girl on the front, She had long blonde hair, she looked like my then-wife, Meg Matthews. Doing the interviews for the thing [later], and they say, 'Is this about your wife?', and what do you say? No? So you say yes but it's not about anyone in particular"

Yet Noel admitted it was a romantic song in 1998 : You don't write a song like Wonderwall if you're not romantic. I am. I'm a dreamer and a romantic. Liam is too.

and later

First of all, “Outside of England, it’s the one we’re famous for all over the world, and it annoys the fuck out of me,” Noel Gallagher once said. “It’s not a fucking rock and roll tune. There’s quite a vulnerable statement to it.”

So while I don't think this song is about Meg, it is definitely an emotional song that strips him bear.

More importantly, years later after hell broke loose in Oasis, Noel praised Ryan Adams's version and declared he is the only person who ever got the song “Wonderwall” right. Ryan Adams played it as part of his album "love is hell" and said that "It occurred to me that I was singing it from the perspective of someone in danger of committing suicide. (...) It's someone saying, you're my last hope. But in the second verse, that hope it's not happening, and I'm singing like that".

I don't think it's coincidence that after all the issues they had Noel was the one who mainly sung that song himself live in the late 90s and then gave it a tone of devastation and sorrow as he switched to playing it Ryan Adams way for a long time. The collapsing of their relationships brought out the frustration rather than the hope in the song.

As to Liam and Noel's thoughts on the songs, while around 95 they weren't critical of it, seemed quite proud of it, and Noel even said it was part of his favorite/best songs with Live forever, they changed their tunes years later, that said it could only be due to the reluctance and irritation of being seldom seen as 'that band that did Wonderwall'.

For example Noel claimed in 2006 "I don't much like 'Wonderwall,' but the effect that song has on people, I can't deny it," he said. "Great music is in the ear of the beholder." and that it's one of his least favourite Oasis songs because it's "unfinished". If I could somehow twist time and go back there, I’d probably pick a different song for our calling card. Probably Some Might Say."

But one comment from Liam struck me as extreme even for him, In 2008, Liam said during the press run for Dig Out Your Soul, “At least there’s no ‘Wonderwall’ on there. I can’t fucking stand that fucking song! Every time I have to sing it, I want to gag." So it could be its popularity or the fact Liam had lost his voice, but I've never heard him talk so critically about an Oasis song, it sounded personal. Just like when Noel recently said he's glad he's singing that one as it's a better song.

So I still think that while they're honest saying they don't want Oasis to be summed up to one tune, but their uneasiness playing the song live was due to its meaning. Noel even stressed the band couldn't find a way to play it right live, which is not exactly true, considering the famous live where Liam stares at Noel during the chorus.

So there's that.

this gif makes my dick hard

please talk about the molested theory, I’m dying to know why you think so, I always felt that there’s something more horrific behind the vagueness

Just to preface I am a psychology student, I work as a mental health support worker and have worked heavily with people from CSA and abusive backgrounds and CSA is in my family so I’m pulling from a few areas when I say some alarm bells go off.

Liam - “I’ve been hurt by men”

Oasis Interviews Archive: Noel & Liam Gallagher - Unknown - 1997 I thought this quote was earlier than it was. In the early days they seemed to be more open.

HOWEVER this is around the time Noel started having psychosis from drug use. One other idea I had was that Noel started having flashbacks, one thing about trauma is that when your brain finally recognises that you are safe it can start releasing blocked memories. This tends to happen around 10-15 years after someone has gotten away from the threat and the brain accepts that.

Noel Gallagher admits he felt lonely during Oasis and experienced psychosis and a debilitating anxiety disorder due to drug addiction. - Carlisle Eden Mind He writes Untitled and If We Shadows, he's sober for the first time since he was like 12, 10-15 years after they left his father. He for sure was remembering some really repressed shit

I found a quote from Liam in an interview with him and Patsy where he mentions having flashbacks in the evenings, more related to the physical abuse.

Hyper sexuality - Liam champaign supernova performance https://youtu.be/PAtU-TSG4qc?si=1L-weZEFXzlpppop

He is so blank faced for a majority of the performance and then randomly starts doing these aggressive sexual gestures. Its spooky

He’s a little dissociated and odd in between the sexual mimicking, he’s like blank in this not kinda relaxed way, he’s angry for sure.

https://youtu.be/3P-GPutiA90?si=mHYtcr-f-gRpjKBB He has a very similar vibe in this interview where he makes an odd joke about being a sex worker as a teen.

Liam - Paula Yates - Liam jumping out of the car to be with her.

Liam has access to a plethora of groupies but something about the Paula Yates story kind of creeps me out. A few people were sexually aggressive with Liam and she was one. It kind of sounds like she overwhelmed him and he almost forced himself to be with her. Then he gets so overwhelmed and out of control he jumps out a car window.

Liam - Robbie Williams

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhkay8MC6P0 Minute 6:20 in

My little theory about what happened here is that Liam was testing some sexual boundaries. Robbie who has said he believes he is on the spectrum and has some overt sexualityin the media. Bites on it in the above way, this freaks Liam the fuck out who then called Noel (or Noel picked up on something here and took charge) in to get him out of it.

Noel - Alan Mcgee relationship

From Tony McCaroll’s book.

(that last bit is a normal joke to make under the circumstances but you know, why not include it)

Liam’s groping of Noel so aggressively, vs the playful ones

The lyrics to Take Me are fucked in the head.

The lyrics to Untitled could mean anything. BUT it could be his perspective of it all. It's vague and more subtle than hinting than Liam’s style of writing so I could make the argument.

Only for the young is the things we might not know Only for the young is the things we won't remember And long ago I said to myself that I feel inside I know Only for the young is the things I don't remember Sitting here, I'm waiting A cause without a name Sitting here, I'm waiting And I will feel And down I will kneel You were the one I never know Living in sin Is somewhere within You were the one I never know And I remember Life without a name And I remember My life without a name, woo The woo is interesting; he's relieved the song is over, maybe?

Impulsivity

Noel - dogs comment

I can’t find the bloody recording of it but it's out there on Tumblr. Noel and Matt on the podcast were making these jokes about fingering dogs.

This might sound like, and very well be, boy-joke style stuff. HOWEVER the reason it stayed with me is that I supported a woman who was a CSA surviour and one of the things she would often compulsively do is hyper fixate on her pets 'bums and fingering them. So when I heard Noel say this is the cadence and phrasing it reminded me of her.

Performance sexuality:

Both brothers do it but you can see examples from Noel where it feels very much like a put on https://youtu.be/t56eLQ9fQL4

Here for instance, Liam is angry and trying to punish Patsy and Noel almost sounds uncomfortable. He’s saying the right Lad thing to think towards breast, but something is off. He doesn't like it, and you could argue that Noel has little opposite sex attraction because of this but I don’t think so.

Liam’s cheating, in general, was done so brazenly and with little regard for Patsy and Nicole. Coming home in women's sunglasses, for instance, that Patsy would then rip off and break, his disregard for her sounds borderline cruel. In ethical terms, he was cruising for a bruising.

Noel however sounds more subdued and careful about his on-tour affairs, at least till Sara which most likely had an overlap. We know Meg was worried about this because of her ‘bag of tricks’ comment.

"I truly don't think Noel was ever unfaithful to me. No one's ever been unfaithful to me in fact. Not that I've ever known of, anyway. That's because I'm so good in bed. It's possible to be in a long-term relationship and be monogamous if you've got a bag of tricks up your sleeve for the bedroom." ----Meg Matthews in the guardian's column "What I know about men" Sun 12 Feb 2006

Liam also seems to use sex as a weapon against people. Like with Justine-Damon, Kate Moss -Lisa Moorish-Peter Doherty (Noel???) Situation’s.

Speaking of which, this interview with Liam talking about being better looking is weird. He seems anxious (could be because of the interview but I think it's odd his tone and what he says, maybe all to do with Lisa) Liam Gallagher & Alan White Interview - 1995 - Paris, France at around 8:10 in

https://youtu.be/2kmWPPGI70g?si=EozG1tnkfGG-5MxB Noel is the only one of the three, or four, if I include Peggy, who has ever said anything remotely neutral about Tommy. He is the one most conflicted about his feelings for him, as evident in numerous quotes and videos from Noel.

Liam’s tweets are a misnomer, it's all performance now. Not initially but for the first 5 years it was more genuine.

But this one freaked me out. I had like a visceral physical reaction to the first tweet before he must have felt better and turned it into a joke. I don’t know, could be a reach. He may have been joking; he may have been referring to the overall attention from the media that he's been pretty vocal about disliking.

https://www.tumblr.com/oacest/770045711791292417?source=share This could mean anything, I suppose. Liam was often left alone as a small child, and so when that happens, children learn to self-soothe through rocking and other calming motions. So, it could be stimming (we have strong evidence he has ADHD, or maybe is on the autistic spectrum), or it could be self-soothing behaviour, but the motion is odd.

Side note this quote from Paul Gallagher's book

Kinda sounds like the three of them created their own little family/parenting structure. I imagine Noel picked that up from Peggy

sometimes soulmates are born from the same mother and thats awesome

LIAM GALLAGHER HOMOPHOBIA MOMENT Big Breakfast, 2000

brothers

“I didn’t know what had been going on between them. It could have been some small comment that sparked things off. Liam spent the evening in the bar with endless vodka and oranges. The MTV awards were being held that evening and there were loads of people arriving — a distraction we didn’t need. We arranged to meet at Noel’s room and when Liam didn’t show up, my heart sank. He’d gone back to the bar straight after breakfast. Yvonne McConaghy, who was assisting me, went to try and coax him out but he flatly refused to go anywhere near Noel’s room. He said he’d do the photo session as long as it wasn’t in Noel’s room, so we got in the bus and he took his drink with him. We stopped off at this bridge and the first thing Liam did was hurl his glass at the side of the bridge. Noel was furious, but I took him aside and said ‘Look, it doesn’t matter. As long as you stand there, I’ll catch him in the frame.’

But Noel was so pissed off, and you can see it in these photos. He is literally gritting his teeth. The body language is incredible. It was awful. You can almost hear the air crackle.”

— Jill Furmanovsky with Liam and Noel Gallagher, Paris 1995.

Noel was also reportedly complaining furiously about French people on bicycles and then had returned to pose, which are these photos.

If Noel Gallagher was MY big brother....

—brothers: from childhood to oasis. the real story by paul gallagher & terry christian

some photos of Noel’s early 90’s notebook, auctioned off in 1998 (click through to see them in high resolution)

"when i'm wronged, i never react. i just make a mental note of it and go 'okay. okay. you'll regret that.' :)"

oasis’ discography (1994-2008) | [insp]

liam sweaty ↳ oasis at the white room

RIP liamnoel anyway I managed to save most of their fics. Probably still have a couple missing, I'll check internet archive once I'm done moving