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#no but legit allll of this because it makes it really hard to side with Alya in 'Revealator' despite her being in the right#because Alya is the LAST person who has the right to spout off any tirade about The Truth and giving people The Right to Choose#She wants to berate Ladybug for her choice in Season 5 when SHE. WASN'T. THERE.#and she wasn't there because she didn't have the Fox Miraculous#and she didn't have the Fox Miraculous because she gave it up despite having it 'permanently' due because she told Nino who outed her#what it comes down too is that both Nino AND Alya can't really be trusted to keep secrets#not between each other for sure (see Alya telling Nino about MARINETTE'S crush despite being EXPLICTLY told not to)#and NINO can't keep a secret PERIOD#so like Boo hoo Alya doesn't like to lie but she does NOT protect people's autonomy to 'choose' what to do with the truth
Just gotta say, in addition to everything in the post, those tags bring up an excellent point.
Alya thinks Marinette should tell Adrien that his dad was Hawkmoth because he has a right to know.
And, I would agree, to a point.
But, there is still a villain out there with the power to turn people into villains, and Adrien is still in a fragile state after having lost both of his parents. The revelation that Gabriel was Hawkmoth would destroy him.
And, if it got out to anyone else, the media could latch onto that. He's having a hard enough time avoiding the paparazzi, they'd certainly never leave him alone about a story like that.
Marinette wants to tell Adrien at some point. She just wants to make sure it's done in the right way to hurt him less.
I fear that the show is going to frame Marinette as wrong for keeping that secret, but we'll wait and see.
And, yeah, Alya doesn't respect people's privacy. Alya shouldn't be telling Nino about Marinette's crush on Adrien, even if he is her boyfriend.
At least with Nino he seems kinda clueless, like he doesn't actually know what's wrong. Alya is being deliberately told not to tell anyone and doing it anyways.
What are your thoughts on Alyno's relationship, and do you think the good aspects about them outweight the toxic ones? I mean they're definitely at least less toxic than current canon Lovesquare, but that bar is pretty much subterranean. đŹ
(Also sorry if you've already been asked this, I found your blog relatively recently and I love reading through your thoughts and critiques! It's always interesting reading through your takes <3)
I'm so glad that you like the blog and, no, I don't think I've been asked this so let's talk about it!
DJWifi or Alyno is a fine couple most of the time. There are really only two major flaws in how they're written and one minor flaw that gets elevated to a major flaw because of the other flaws. I think it's pretty easy to take them and make them into a great couple, but canon has squandered that potential making them into a couple that is just kind of there because everyone needs to be paired off to earn a happy ending, I guess. (This show is incredibly amatonormative.)
Let's go through all of those items one by one.
Alya and Nino get together in Animan, the episode that starts with Nino having a crush on Marinette. Of course, when Nino is prompted to tell Marinette about this crush, he chokes and says it's on Alya instead:
Marinette: Uhh... Can't wait to hear... about this lucky girl! Nino: Oh, yeah... Adrien:(from the earpiece) Tell her it's you! Nino: It's youuu...uur best friend Alya! Adrien, Alya and Marinette: What?! Marinette: Alya? Awesome! Alya: No! No! It's not awesome! Marinette: I can fix up a date for you guys! Alya: Say what?! Seriously?! (calls Nino from the earpiece) You didn't even ask me first! (calls Marinette back from the earpiece) Uh-uh! Nino's like... a brother to me! Bleugh! No! End of discussion!
This leads Marinette to lock Alya in a cage with Nino in spite of the fact that Alya is clearly not interested in Nino:
Ladybug:(takes Nino and Alya to the empty gorilla habitat and locks the cage) Stay put and you'll be safe. (then leaves) Nino:(he looks at Alya) Uhh... Hey, what's up? (Alya lets out a disgusted groan.)
This questionable series of events somehow leads Alya and Nino to get together off screen:
Alya:Â Ladybug locked us up together in the same cage all afternoon. Nino:Â It turns out we have tons in common. You know, Marinette, the girl I've got a crush on? Marinette:Â Oh, yeah! Nino:Â Actually, it was you. Marinette:Â Huh? Nino:Â Or that's what I thought. But after chilling with Alya that whole time... Alya:(interrupts)Â Yeah, well...we don't have to give her all the deets, do we? Nino:Â Oh, yeah, my bad.
What an incredibly lackluster romance! Alya and Nino deserve better than this! I actually don't mind Nino having a crush on Marinette, but if you want to go that route, then there needs to be a bigger gap between him crushing on Marinette and Alya. As is, it makes Alya feel like a consolation prize which is not cool.
I'm also not wild about Alya's change of heart. How the heck did she go from "he's like a brother" to "I want to date him" in the course of an hour? If you're going to give us such a dramatic change of heart, then you need to actually show the change happening. At the very least, explain why! They might not need to give Marinette the details, but they do need to give them to the audience!
Alya and Nino generally feel like a fine couple after this episode, so if you missed Animan then you'd have no reason to question their love, but this being the start of their relationship really undermines the romance for me. It's way too lackluster for one of the show's main couples!
Season five was the season of character assassination and the episode Illusion was dedicated to ruining Nino, giving us many questionable moments including this scene where Nino outs his and Alya's secret identities in a crowded cafeteria:
Nino: What's up is Ladybug and Cat Noir don't have us to help them anymore. Alya: (nervously) Um, umâ uhâ what do you mean, "us"? Nino: Well, us, you Rena Rouge, me Carapace! (Alya kicks his leg underneath the table) Ouch! What's the big deal? We can tell Marinette and Adrien we used to be superheroes. (The camera pans to a shocked Marinette.) Nino: It's not like we have any Miraculous that Monarch could steal from us. The only ones who need to protect their secret identities are Ladybug and Cat Noir, not us. And anyway, I already told Adrien about Carapace. (Adrien laughs red-handed.) Marinette: Adrien knew? (furiously) Alya, did you know that he knew? Alya: What, no, I swear I didn't know at all! (kicks Nino's leg for the second time) Nino: Ow! Come on! He's my best bud, I can tell him stuff! You and Marinette tell each other stuff, don't you?
Yes, this reveal was only to Marinette and Adrien, but holy shit a crowded cafeteria is not the place to be talking about this kind of thing! Nino, what are you doing? We even see Lila overhear a later part of the conversation, making it clear that wasn't one of those confusing moments where the show used a seemingly public place for a confrontation or reveal, but later context makes it clear that it should be read as a private moment.*
Because the show let there be consequences for Nino using this location AND let the group use the extremely private boiler room later on, Nino comes across terribly! He is so gods damn lucky that Lila only overheard the part about Gabriel (as far as we know.) This scene is a pretty massive betrayal of Alya's trust and Nino never even apologizes for it. It makes him come across as a bad friend, a bad hero, and a bad boyfriend.
I would never include a moment like this unless it was part of a character arc where Nino learned the error of his way or part of a plotline where Alyno breaks up. Because the show never gave this moment proper consequences or payoff, it just makes Nino look like a terrible hero for no good reason and it makes Alya's choice to stay with him pretty questionable. Can she really trust him when he's been shown to treat her most precious secrets with such casual disregard?
*Note: this really only happened in the early seasons when the show didn't have more private locations animated, Volpina and Miracle Queen being prime examples. Both episodes contain a scene that seems extremely public, but later episodes make it clear that the events were only known to the characters who were present in the scene.
This is the minor issue I mentioned at the start. I don't think side couples need to be deeply developed and sometimes crushes just happen, but when you introduce issues like how the couple got together and Nino being a questionable partner for a superhero, then you do start to wonder why Alya is sticking with this guy? What does she see in him? Why should we want them to stay together outside of amatonormativity?
I don't have a good answer for those questions and it really undermines them as couple. If you're going to do things like mutual identity reveals and episodes centered on their relationship, then you do need to give their relationship some substance because you're giving it too much narrative weight for something so underdeveloped. That's extra true when you're denying the lead couple their own identity reveal! Alyno being fully revealed while also full time heroes is a massive insult to the love square from a narrative perspective and just further cheapens the square's eventual identity reveal.
In spite of all these issues, I do actually like Alyno and tend to put them together in my own stuff. They have the potential to be a fantastic couple. I even use their relationship to help guide how I write Nino because he has so little substance in canon!
For those who don't want to read the massive post I just linked, my main inspiration for Alyno is the fact that canon made Nino a film buff. That's a fantastic match for a nascent vlogger! I love to include scenes of him teaching her how to frame certain types of shots or him helping her learn how to edit footage into an engaging story. It's such an obvious way to let them bond and I'm so disappointed that canon never went there. I actually make the Ladyblog the reason they got together by having Nino help with the filming and by having him run along after Alya in the early story because he's trying to keep her safe. Dude needs to earn his miraculous somehow!
I'm pretty neutral on canon Alyno because canon has given them so little substance while also introducing some pretty major flaws, but I like their potential and happily ship them in the realms of fanon. One of the many cases where it's less a love of canon and more a love of the potential I see in canon. Much like the love square, I'd be totally fine with canon Alyno breaking up forever, but I like to give them a happily ever after together in my own stuff.
I can't change the names and sell my fanfic because it was written under the premise that people already have the requisite background knowledge to enjoy it.
They already know who everyone is and how they're all connected to each other, what the plot is, what all the locations are, etc.
If I changed the names and tried to sell it, I'd have to also write the backstory.
The summary of my first story is this:
I wish I could say that my breakup with Kim was sudden. Or that it was entirely my fault. Or that it was completely my decision, un-influenced by anything or anyone else. But none of that is true. But like all good stories, we start at the beginningâŠ
Which gets people interested because they know who Kim and Ron are and that they dated, and want to know what caused them to breakup.
However, if I changed the names:
I wish I could say that my breakup with Katie was sudden. Or that it was entirely my fault. Or that it was completely my decision, un-influenced by anything or anyone else. But none of that is true. But like all good stories, we start at the beginningâŠ
You get a terrible romance with a lot of drama that no one wants to read, due in no small part to them not knowing who these characters are and why they should care about their breakup.
Even if your fanfic is an AU like mine, it's still entwined with canon.
And simply changing the names wouldn't be enough to fix that.
And, of course, the insistence on monetizing every hobby someone has is toxic, too.
Hobbies are meant to be fun. Not work.
It really is crazy how if you mention you write fanfiction with people outside fandom, they're always like "you should change the names and try to sell it." It misses the point (fun), but more importantly to me, I get slightly (and I know irrationally) insulted on a craft level. Excuse me, my fanfic is entwined with the canon, thank you very much. I wish sometimes less entwined. You wouldn't believe the stupid bullshit some of my fics have to include because of canon.
In a series of completely unrelated coincidences, the same family moves into a haunted house, attracts the attention of a local poltergeist, purchases an evil ventriloquist dummy, activates a witchâs curse, and adopts the newborn antichrist, all in the same week.
Ngl, I kind of love this idea.
Back before the Zodiac Kwamis were introduced, I had loved imagining other ways for the classmates to get powers to help.
And Max as an Iron Man-like character because he accidentally made a Kwami is perfect.
So, I've talked about this and suggested it a couple of times on Tumblr. But I don't think I ever actually made an official prompt about this.
What if Max secretly researched the Miraculous and even managed to collect some of the magic of the Miraculous? What if he used that to build Markov?
This is basically an expansion on Max's character where we can see him use his genius to study the Miraculous and help the heroes by making devices related to his research on the Miraculous.
He might even use his research to make Markov based on the magic and accidentally create an artificial Kwami. Maybe letting him turn into an Iron Man-like superhero.
I wasn't even aware they were trying to make it seem like Marinette struggles to make friends.
Like, she's so popular and loved that struggling to make friends is the one problem Marinette doesn't have.
Sure, they tell us she had this problem in "Origins" but it's not like they actually show Marinette struggling to make friends. People just love Marinette instantly.
She's a bit quirky, and nerdy, and prone to misunderstandings, but none of those have made it hard for Marinette to make friends.
So saying she struggles with that is just disingenuous.
As someone who ACTUALLY struggled to make friends in HS its insulting when they say Marinette does so.
People who "struggle to make friends" dont get elected class president
People who "struggle to make friends" dont have pajama parties with their girlfriends ocasionally
People who "struggle to make friends" arent friends with famous comedians and international rockstars
People who "struggle to make friends" dont date supermodels. Or at all.
Being "quirky" or "nerdy" or "prone to misunderstandings " is not the same thing of being a weird outcast, and for sure doesnt make you unpopular.
Obviously, there are a lot of things I hate about Lila as a character, if she can even be called that.
But, I want to talk about how others treated her.
"Chameleon" is Lila's second appearance in the series. In this one, Marinette wants to warn her friends that Lila is a liar and manipulative, and Adrien thinks they shouldn't. For some reason.
When he apologizes later, Marinette doesn't get mad. She reassures him that he did nothing wrong, even though he did.
Marinette tries several times throughout the series to convince people, mostly Alya, that Lila is lying, but Alya chalks it up to jealousy about Lila having a crush on Adrien.
When Lila's lies are revealed, Alya apologizes and berates herself for being gullible. Marinette reassures her by claiming lying is it's own superpower.
No, lying is not a superpower. Anyone can do it.
Lila's lies aren't even convincing if you think about them for a few seconds.
Lila claimed to know Prince Ali. Too bad they don't have a classmate who also knows Prince Ali and gets along with him really well. Too bad she wouldn't be able to write him a letter or call to confirm he knows Lila. (Rose)
She claimed Jagged Stone wrote a song about her and that she saved a kitten. Too bad they don't have multiple classmates who's mom worked with Jagged Stone and can confirm he hasn't had a cat in decades. Or at least know all of his songs well enough to realize none of them are about Lila. (Luka and Juleka)
She claimed Ladybug saved her life and that they're best friends. Too bad the journalist of the group didn't even think about that before posting it. Or decided to confirm with Ladybug first. (Alya)
She claimed she once saw a guy in India get his eye gouged out by a napkin. Too bad no one's smart enough to point out how that's impossible. (Max)
She claimed to get injured from Marinette pushing her down the stairs. Too bad no one took her to a doctor to get the injury treated.
Lying isn't a superpower. Most of Lila's lies come apart if you think about them.
Heck, Luka and Juleka get to hang out with Jagged later in the series, so the fact that they never found out Lila was lying is ridiculous.
The real superpower is how dumb everyone acts around Lila. Not one person is able to see through Lila's lies, even when they're obvious.
And if you have to dumb down your cast for the villain to succeed, they're not a good villain.
Worst of all, no one is being held accountable for it.
The message here is that you're supposed to just forgive people for blindly following a liar over you.
No, scratch that, you're supposed to just forgive people for accusing you of being a jealous liar when you try to warn them.
You certainly shouldn't point out how they blindly trusted her when they could've easily disproven her lies.
You shouldn't tell them how horrible and alone you've felt because everyone chose to believe the liar over you.
And it is a choice.
Lila states in "Chameleon" that no one thinks she's lying because they like what she has to say. That they don't want her to be lying.
Maybe not a conscious choice at first, but when Alya chooses to say Marinette's lying about Lila because of jealousy instead of believing her best friend, it became a conscious choice.
When your friends apologize and beg forgiveness for something they've done wrong, you're supposed to smile and assure them they did nothing wrong.
Your feelings here don't matter.
It's not their fault.
Lying is a superpower.
No one asked, but here's what everyone in my AU is doing for Valentine's Day.
Ron and Bonnie are having a quiet night in. Ron made food, Bonnie picked up some movies and arranged for someone to watch Rufus and Debutante.
Monique and Tara are going out for dinner.
Wade and Olivia are going to a movie.
Yori explains to Will that, in Japan, Valentine's Day is for girls to confess to their crush, and if the feelings are reciprocated, they get them a gift a month later on White Day. Will says she can take him out then, and he'll take her out a month later.
Felix and Zita are gaming. They both put surprises in the game for the other one to find.
Brick, Josh, and Justine are participating in a trivia night at a local pub.
Gil, Amelia, Larry, Joss, Patti, and Artie are having a "singles party" at Larry and Joss's apartment. Patti's only there because her parents wanted the house to themselves for the night, and Artie's only there because his dad had a date.
Drakken made a nice dinner and dessert for Shego. Her surprise for him is for later in the evening.
The only way Jack was able to take Betty on a date for Valentine's Day was to lead her on a chase that ends in a date.
Sometimes it doesn't feel like Kim Possible is an actual character in her own show. And, on the surface, that makes no sense.
She has multiple personality traits, both good and bad; confidence, a desire to help others, concern over what others think of her, gets frustrated when she doesn't instantly excel at something, competitive, judgmental, kind of controlling, etc.
These are traits that should lead to well-developed character who people can relate to.
But she feels more like an icon than a character, and I think I know why.
Ron also has multiple traits, but he feels more real, and that's because they spend more time exploring Ron's thoughts and feelings. They don't just give Ron character traits, they explain them.
That doesn't happen for Kim.
A lot of Kim's traits exist in a vacuum; there's no reasoning for them. It's never explored why Kim is, say, competitive or controlling, just that she is.
Kim is confident in her abilities. This might have come from her parents constantly believing in her, but it's not really explored.
Kim gets easily frustrated if she doesn't instantly excel at something. Though it's relatable, it'd be better if the reason for this was explored more.
Kim is competitive. To the point of sabotage. To the point of considering sneaking into a game for a team she was coaching because she couldn't stand the thought of losing. There's no explanation for this, as her parents would definitely encourage sportsmanship and fun over winning.
Kim is judgmental of interests she doesn't share. But "Monkey Fist Strikes" shows that she definitely didn't pick this up from her family. And it's definitely not one they'd have encouraged.
Kim is controlling to the point that she expects Ron to always be willing to drop whatever he's doing to join her on a mission. To the point that she doesn't let other people handle tasks for her, even when she clearly can't do them on her own. Again, there doesn't seem to be a reason for this trait. It's never explored why Kim is like this.
Kim refuses to acknowledge that Ron is important to her success. Again, it's never explored why Kim refuses to recognize Ron's contributions to her success.
These are traits that could lead to an interesting character who grows and develops as a person.
But, because the show never wants to explore Kim's reasons for being this way, she doesn't get to really grow as a person.
And that's why she doesn't feel like a character in the series. She doesn't grow or change, and her underlying thoughts and feelings and reasons for being the way she is aren't explored.
And it's kind of detrimental to character development.
If part of your house randomly burst into flames at times, solving the problem wouldn't just involve acknowledging the flames and putting them out. You'd also have to figure out why it bursts into flames, even if it's uncomfortable.
In order for Kim to truly grow and develop as a character, it's not enough to just acknowledge that Kim has flaws, it's also important to explore why she's like that.
But, since that doesn't happen, Kim doesn't feel as relatable as Ron.
And this leads to Kim seeming like less of a character in her own show.
I actually have a lot of opinions about Totally Spies, but I won't get into those right now.
I will say, I noticed that there aren't a lot of fandom spaces dedicated to discussing Mandy and her friends.
(Or, if there are, I haven't found them yet.)
So, if that's something you're interested in, I suggest checking this out.
M.i.G. is LIVE, PEOPLE!
There's an actual Facebook group called M.i.G. (Mandy is Great) that's accepting members. If you want to extoll the virtues of the real star of the show, join at the link below:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2596797444042145/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBT
Also, unlike the M.i.G. in the show, this one's open to all!
And it could've set up some interesting plots, too.
Nobody wants Chat Noir to start working with Hawk Moth, but literally not having a choice leads to opening the door for a lot of questions about what it means to be human, be a person, and how far he'd be willing to go to secure his freedom. Probably not too far, but it'd still be a great plot.
Morality crisis after learning that Felix, Kagami, and Adrien are Sentimonsters and Ladybug and Chat Noir have destroyed a bunch of them? That'd be good too!
There was so much potential that they decided not to do anything with.
It's no secret that I hate the fact that Adrien is a sentimonster, but I figured I'd take a minute to clearly explain why it bothers me so much because I don't think that I've done that and I should. There's obviously the issue that he will never have true free will and that's deeply upsetting, but my dislike of this theory came long before canon made that issue clear, further fueling my hatred. My baseline dislike is routed in the heart of the theory and the tropes it's brushing up against.
There are two standard tropes that you usually see with something like the sentiplot. The first trope is the humanization of the outsider and the second is the questioning of what it means to be a valid living creature. Let's quickly define both of these.
This trope takes some external group and presents them as bad. They are the irredeemable enemy who must be stopped at all costs, the lesser race who are fit to be nothing more than slaves, or some other inherent disparity that's just a base part of this world. Whatever the setup, the story then introduces a member of this external group as a key character in the story and somehow creates a connection between that character and the "good" guys. Through that connection, we come to learn that this individual is, in fact, not inherently lesser or bad or what-have-you. They are just as valid as the "good" guys. From there, we are forced to reassess our assumptions about every member of the external group. If this one individual isn't what we thought, then are any of them? For a well-known example of this, think Toothless from How to Train Your Dragon.
The point of this trope is to make people question the way they view others. To suggest that maybe you're viewing a situation through biased eyes. Is any group inherently bad/lesser or do you just not know the whole story? What have you been taught and why?
This trope is basically the inversion of the humanization trope. Instead of focusing on how we view others, it focuses on how we view ourselves. It says that you're valid no matter where you come from or who your parents are. That you are not defined by others or arbitrary catagories. For a well-known example of this, think of that Mewtwo line that people love to quote:
âI see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are.â â Pokemon, The First Movie: Mewtwo Strikes Back!
Before we circle back to Miraculous, it's worth noting that these two tropes are often used in tandem. A non-human or outsider may question if they're valid and, though that struggle, teach others in-universe to question their prejudice. You can also have variations such as the non-human or outsider viewing themselves as totally valid without being part of a larger group, leading to the type of discussion that you'd expect in the humanization trope even thought, setup wise, it's more in line with the validity trope. Star Trek: The Next Generation has several episodes about this one, mostly focused around the character Data. Heck, Stark Trek hits every one of these tropes at one point or another because they're incredibly standard Sci-Fi tropes. A large amount of Sci-Fi is all about philosophical questions! This brings us back to Miraculous.
When you use a standard setup like the introduction of a non-human who is supposed to be seen as human, you are joining a vast canon of literature that discusses this topic, adding your voice to thousands of others, making your statement on humanity and personal worth. Or, at least, that's what I expect to see when you introduce this type of setup. The problem with Miraculous is that it doesn't add to those conversations. There is no discussion of Adrien's worth or the worth of any other sentimonster. If anything, Miraculous has so far spat in the face of these tropes. To show you what I mean, let's look at what canon has given us from two directions.
Their creator. Adrien was made to live like a human and so we must treat him as one. If a sentimonster wasn't made to be equal to humans? Then no worries, go ahead and destroy them! They don't matter because their creator - aka their parent - decided that they're worthless. The circumstances of their birth define their fundamental right to exist.
Canon seems to have no interest in even acknowledging that someone might ask these questions. Felix has known what he is for years, but doesn't seem to have any hangups about it. He wants to ensure his freedom, but that's not unique to sentimonsters or saying something about his self worth. Once he has his ring and the peacock, his lack of true free will and the whole remote-self-destruct issue don't seem to bother him. You could replace his status with any sort of magical control and get the same plot because the plot is about acquiring macguffins and nothing else.
Even Colt's abuse is only used to make Felix a sad little uwu who can't be held accountable for anything and not as a setup to Felix questioning his worth. We see Felix called "monster," but Felix has not been shown to have taken that insult to heart. He doesn't view himself as a monster. We don't even learn about the monster insult until Felix is "good." The most I can say is that there is a vague sense that Felix probably views humans as lesser, but it's hard to be sure about that based on the actual text of the show even if the word of god is that Ladybug made Felix trust humans. So that's a bust on Felix addressing this issue even though he's the best character to do it. What about everyone else?
Kagami seems to learn the truth in the middle of season five and she's totally fine. Not really human? Not a problem! Her love life is far more worthy of attention. Make her a human who feels in love with a sentimonster and, once again, nothing changes.
Marinette is implied to learn the truth during Felix's play and has no reaction. The fact that she's Miraculous Ladybugged away sentimonsters and even tossed a few in the sun doesn't appear to even cross her mind. The only impact this has on her is that she now has more secrets to keep from Adrien. Her view of him, Kagami, and Felix has not changed.
We don't even get Nathalie or Gabriel reacting to the idea of destroying sentimonster! For fifteen years, the only sentimonsters they've dealt with are Adrien, Kagami, and Felix. They appear to see these three as real human children and yet they have no problem switching to using other sentimonsters as canon fodder. If anyone should have reacted strongly to the death of sentibug, it's Gabriel because Nathalie is wielding the power to poof away his son and she just showed a total lack of regard for what is supposedly a fourth valid sentimonster, but we get nothing.
Given all these tepid non-reactions, I guess that the audience is not supposed to care about the fact that Adrien was the only character with no hopes or dreams in Wishmaker. That meant nothing about his worth or psychology! It was just a bit of fun foreshadowing! He's a real boy because his mommy and the writers said so. No greater discussion is needed.
Now, do I think that Miraculous was trying to give us baby's first eugenics lesson? No. Absolutely not! This is, at best, incredibly clumsy writing that is trying and failing to tell a moral that I truly can't figure out. At worst, the sentiplot shows us that the writers have a fundamental lack of curiosity. A complete disinterest in using their massive platform to say something of value. They are here to shock audiences with poorly setup twists and nothing else. Whichever path you pick, it's not a good look.
I truly love these tropes and grew up consuming media that played with them. They have positively shaped how I view the world. That's why I find Miraculous' handling of this topic so incredibly depressing and upsetting. The problem is not that Adrien is a sentimonster. It's that he was made into one - robbed of his freedom and humanity - for nothing more than shock value. It's that other, "lesser" sentimonsters are being treated as disposable by one of their own kind. It's that there is no greater lesson here or, if there is, then it's going to be told in a way that completely fails to connect with the audience due to the show's terrible pacing and inability to use the type of focus you need to tell a coherent arc.
These are the writers who had Adrien give the high road advice at the beginning of season three and then didn't revisit that issue until the end of season five without so much as a flashback to remind viewers what the heck he was talking about. Rare is the viewer who can follow that plot and I don't expect the sentiplot to be any better assuming that there even is going to be a plot. If there is, then I already hate it! I don't want Miraculous discussing hard topics with superfans and no one else. I want it having those discussions in a way that the intended audience can follow. If it can't do that, then it never should have tread on such morally complex ground.
Yeah, the show fumbled this, big time.
It's like the exact opposite of all my Ron Stoppable posts.
In those, I point out how Ron is shown to be extremely competent and important to the success of the team, but even the narrative refuses to recognize it.
In Miraculous, Chat Noir is important, narratively, but is rarely, if ever, given a role that can't be fulfilled by anyone else.
Anyone else can distract the villain. Arguably, other miraculouses would be better for the job. Like pig, rooster, mouse, or monkey.
Anyone else can throw themselves in front of a villain to protect ladybug. Arguably, the turtle and ox miraculouses would be better for that.
And let's not forget that Adrien is shown to goof off as Chat Noir a lot. Desperada happened because he decided to tell Ladybug his identity instead of focusing on fighting the villain.
I can understand that Chat Noir is freedom for Adrien, but it's also a responsibility that he's not taking seriously.
Luckily, there's a Miraculous Cure, that Chat Noir isn't needed for, to fix things, including bringing Chat Noir back from the dead at least once.
On the one hand, it does seem unfair to expect teenagers to behave perfectly in every situation.
On the other hand, Marinette/Ladybug is shouldering most of the responsibility herself because Chat Noir/Adrien refuses to take the job seriously.
And it's extremely unfair to her.
And that's not even getting into how the romance was handled.
Ladybug: Chat Noir is most important member of The Miraculous Team.
Chat Noir's "important role":
"Distraction Grot: Once per battle, in your opponentâs Shooting phase, before making a saving throw for a model in this unit, it can deploy the distraction grot. If it does, until the end of the phase, models in this unit have a 5+ invulnerable save.Designerâs Note: Place a Distraction Grot token next to the unit, removing it when this unit uses this ability."
Does Ladybug ever say that Chat Noir was the most important member of the team? I honestly don't remember that. Either way, I fully agree that the show failed to make him feel like a pivotal member of the team. That's extra true after the season five final. It's really hard to get excited about Chat Noir when he didn't even try to get to his Lady's side in the final fight. Super weird choice for both a romantic lead and one of your main heroes. What is his arc even supposed to be if he's never going to have a meaningful confrontation with his father? And what's the point of his place as Ladybugs main partner if he's allowed to sit out the show's most important fight? He really is just one of the team now.
I have a post somewhere that I don't feel like digging up, but my stance is that - at the very least - they should have let Adrien fight his way to Paris where he could hand off the ring to Luka since Luka knows both identities, but heaven forbid that plot point lead to anything interesting or that Adrien be allowed to do anything more than motivational speeches. I think season five was the first season to not have the famous "you and me against the world" line, which is really funny when you remember that Ladybug was literally up against the world.
One thing about Rainbow High that drives me crazy is that River Kendall is supposed to be the teal colored character, my favorite color, but he doesn't actually wear teal.
So, to make myself a little less mad about it, I made an edit where he's actually wearing teal. I left his letterman jacket as is.
And, just for fun, River in teal with his hair the same color as his eyebrows.
Obviously, I know they're not perfect, but I still think they're pretty good.
I'm also ace, so I wouldn't notice sexualization as much as someone with a sex drive probably would.
I wouldn't say that the costumes themselves are inherently sexual, though I can't deny that the costumes combined with certain choices in lighting and posing do seem to indicate a desire for showing off certain parts.
My biggest complaint about the costumes is that, despite each hero having their own personal style as civilians, they're all put in generic spandex suits with only minor differences to show their personalities and powers.
And, since Plagg reveals that the costumes are largely based on personal preference, it seems weird that they're all in basically the same costume.
Kind of feels like the creators ignored that bit of lore in order to put them all in tight spandex for some reason.
There are numerous fan designs where the costumes match personal style and are still functional.
So, even if you don't agree with the sexualization, the designs are still kind of...bad.
At the very least, they're boring.
Is it true that Miraculous often sexualizes its characters? Because I see other people say this and want to know if itâs correct
I have not picked up on anything like that in Miraculous, but I'm ace, so sexualization has to be pretty overt for me to notice it on my own. It's entirely possible that there's something subtle that I'm missing. Until someone gives me specific examples, my stance is that this is incorrect. It's not an element that even crosses my mind when it comes to the reasons why I would discourage adults from introducing this show to kids. I am concerned about the quality of the romance between the leads, but that concern comes from a psychological standpoint about modeling what healthy relationships should look like. The love square is way too teen drama for a family show! However, from a purely physical standpoint, it's appropriate for all ages.
OMG. Somebody said it out loud.
Disney is absolutely not the only studio doing this though.
It seems to have become standard practice across movies and series everywhere.
Anything that doesn't do it is like a breath of sunlight and fresh air inside a dank musty cave.
It's part of the 'fix it in post-production' epidemic sweeping through the studios. Fix it in post is often used as a time/money-saving measure - and is absolutely part of the same mess that the WGA is fighting against currently.
Rather than fixing things on-set - audio, lighting, something in-frame that shouldn't be, etc. (which is all handled by unionized crew) - they leave it for the CG folks (not unionized) to edit later.
(on ridiculously tight schedules that leave them scrambling, cutting corners, and working inhumane hours)
See also: that part where scripts aren't finished, because the studio won't fully staff the writers room, and won't pay to have writers on-set for day-of-filming script questions and fixes (which could resolve issues such as 'what kind of lighting do we need here?')
Anyway, all this shit we, as audiences, keep complaining about - bad lighting, bad sound, wonky visual effects, over-usage of not-great CGI, stilted acting on green-screen sets, scripts that seem not-quite-finished, costumes that look like they're cheap and flimsy, terrible hair and makeup, films and series that aren't as polished as they could be...
Plus the complaints we have about streaming services and their shenanigans...
All of that is enmeshed in the extreme capitalism that has taken over everything, including entertainment, to the point that studios are abusing their workforce and churning out material that - at best just doesn't live up to its potential - at worst, is just unwatchable shit.
I know it's an old show, but my sister proposed one of the craziest possible AUs for Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Background info: We're both convinced that the Ty sisters are descended from air nomads. They're all good at acrobatics, and their faces look just like Aang.
So, for the AU:
Firstly, Kuzon never claims to be from the colonies, just that his family does things a bit differently
When Kuzon gets into trouble, the school doesn't ask to meet his parents, they say they've already contacted his parents.
See, a free-spirited kid who disrespects the teachers, dances, gets into fights, and "does things differently" has got to be from the Ty family.
They assume no one ever mentioned Kuzon because, compared to his sisters, he is quiet and respectful, so he must get overlooked quite often.
Mr. and Mrs. Ty did show up. They were planning to just clear up the misunderstanding, but then they see a young boy who looks just like their daughters, and is on the verge of a panic attack, and just roll with it.
"You know why we know that the history book is wrong. We're not going to punish him for being right."
"He didn't start that fight, so we're not going to punish him for defending himself."
"Kuzon, sweetie, you can't dance while playing the tsungi horn, you'll hit the other students."
The Ty family might not show it often, but they are nobility, so it's not exactly the best idea to get them upset.
Mrs. Ty has air nomad heritage, and she and her husband disagree with most of the current Fire Nation policies. They've hoped to make good changes, but it's not easy.
Aang tells them he's the avatar after he finds out about their heritage.
The promise not to sell him out, and ask for air bending lessons.
Not much else planned here, but Ozai does get defeated quicker.
I actually don't have a lot of complaints about Project: Rainbow, but I dislike how the Rainbow High vs Rainbow High thing was handled.
More specifically, Avery.
After being told that her accessory designs weren't unique enough, she decided the best thing to do, instead of designing new accessories, is to make a dress to go with the accessories.
And she gets praised for ignoring Maria's advice.
Here's the thing: I wear my favorite accessories with a lot of different outfits.
I'm not interested in accessories that only look good with one specific outfit. Most people aren't.
And Avery shouldn't be praised for ignoring Maria's advice. It was an accessory design challenge, not a dress design challenge.
She should have been gently told that, while her dress was amazing, it was an accessory design challenge, and she didn't meet the challenge requirements.
They still could have Aiden volunteering to be the one who goes back to class, because his reason wouldn't have changed, but now we could give Avery a good learning experience.
As much as I've criticized the writing of Kim Possible at times, I do have to agree that they resolved this issue better than Miraculous did.
Of course, that's because they actually resolved the issue.
Miraculous did not.
And after five seasons, we should already have good team dynamics.
And we don't.
It's all massively disappointing and underwhelming.
Season four had many, many flaws. One of the big ones was the Rena Rouge vs Chat Noir conflict where Ladybug starts relying on Alya more and more, basically using her to replace Master Fu. We get a sense that Chat Noir feels inferior to Rena Rouge because of this change, but itâs never directly addressed. The most we get is this conversation from Hack-San:
Ladybug: I'm really sorry, Cat Noir. I should've told you. I mean, if I found out that you told someone about your secret identity, I'd... probably be upset, too. I'm really sorry I hurt your feelings. Cat Noir: You didn't hurt my feelings. You did everything right.Â
Which is actually a really weird bit of dialogue because - as far as I can tell - nothing in the episode revealed that Scarabella knew Ladybug's identity. She hands out miraculous all the time and no one knows who she really is. Why would this time be different? Ladybug could just show up in costume, explain what's up, and then hand off the earrings while using yet another miraculous.
Anyway, the Rena Rouge vs Chat Noir conflict is âresolvedâ by Rena Rouge being outed again (and I guess that matters this time), leading her to give up her miraculous so that Gabriel canât steal it away, which of course leads Gabriel to steal it away and fully disempower Ladybugâs larger team, leaving Chat Noir her only teammate.
How satisfying! This is such good, character-driven story telling!
Itâs not. This is plot contrivances to the max with no meaningful character beats, but weâre not here to talk about that. Weâre here to do one of my favorite things: gush about a relevant Kim Possible episode! Todayâs topic is episode 12 of season one: Pain King vs. Cleopatra, the episode that introduces Kimâs female BFF, Monique!
This was a bit of a shocker for me because I didnât realize that Kim and Monique werenât pre-series friends. Turns out that, much like Alya, Monique is a new girl, which isnât a bad call. This was a nice way to delay Moniqueâs introduction for a few episodes so that the writers could focus on establishing Kimâs relationship with other key members of the cast like her partner, Ron. Spacing out your intros is the way to go whenever you can pull it off as itâs a kindness to your audience that keeps them from feeling overwhelmed, making it more likely that theyâll remember your cast.
The other, more important similarity between Alya and Monique is that, when Kimâs hero partner and life-long friend finds out about Monique, he is less than thrilled:
Kim: I barely got to see them. Right after I hooked up with Monique, the museum was robbed by some glowing-headed animal guy. Ron: Oh, that's nice. Ron: Wait a minute, who's Monique? Kim New friend, really great. Anyway, the thief stole an enchanted ancient talisman. Ron: Whoa, whoa, back up! How can I not know about a new friend? Kim: I met her at Club Banana, then again at the museum before I chased the glowing robber. Ron: So what's she like? Kim: The robber? Ron: The friend, Kim, the "new friend".
Throughout the episode, Kim and Monique continue to bond without Ron, leaving Ron feeling left out:
Ron: Seein' a pattern here, Rufus: Kim does her thing, I do my thing, and pretty soon - we're doing different things.
Which leads him to get a little territorial:
Kim Ron! What are you doing here? Ron: Can I dine with my best friend and her new friend? Kim: Uuh, Ron, Monique, and vice versa. Ron: Bearclaw? Monique: No, thanks, I'm vegetarian. Ron: Uhm, I'm pretty sure it's imitation bear? Kim: She's joking, Ron. Ron: Good one, hahaha, ha, good one. So, did Kim tell you that I'm her sidekick? Cause that role is definitely taken by me. Monique: Riiiight. Well, in... you know I better get to class. Later, Kim. Um, n-nice meeting you, Ron. Ron: Likewise, I'm sure! Kim: What is your problem? You're acting really weird. Ron: Well, let's see. You went to the museum with Monique, not me. Monique was with you this morning, not me. Hmm, pattern? Kim: Yeah. You. Weird. Ron: No, we're drifting apart because you're excluding me. Kim: I am not excluding you. It's just that you and Monique are... different.
Noticing some similarities to Miraculous here?
So how does Kim Possible resolve this conflict?
Well, the plot of this episode resolves around Kim Possibleâs version of professional wrestling, the GWA. Thereâs a competition going on that Kim has no interest in watching (mood), but when Kim mentions the GWA to Monique:
Monique: Why didn't you bring [Ron] along? Kim: Unless someone put a waiter in a headlock, this is definitely not Ron's scene. Besides, he had a date with "Steel Toe". Monique: He scored tickets to Mayhem in Middleton? The GWA rocks! Kim: What?
It turns out that Monique and Ron have a shared interest! Multiple shared interests, in fact! Interests that Kim does not share:
Monique: You know, I still can't believe you met Pain King and Steel Toe. Ron: I can't believe you're into wrestling. Kim: I can't believe I know either one of you.
By the end of the episode, the conflict is resolved not with Kim having to pick a BFF or with Monique somehow being demoted, but by showing that this didnât need to be a conflict at all. Kim can have multiple close friends that she shares different interests with without any of those friends being lesser. Those friends can, in turn, have their own friendships that donât always involve her.
Itâs a genuinely lovely resolution that makes me love this little friend group because it now has added complexity. Monique and Ron are friends in their own right! Kim is not the center of the universe in spite of her main character status!
I also love that Kim isnât vilified for having other friends or portrayed as constantly leaving Ron out of things that he'd want to do in favor of Monique. Ron genuinely would not enjoy most of the things that the girls love to do together. At the same time, Ronâs feeling arenât treated as totally irrational either and Kim even admits to ditching him. Itâs a genuine, complex conflict that is super common when someone enters a new relationship be it platonic or romantic.
Obviously Kim Possibleâs version of this conflict feels far less complex than Miraculousâ because Kim Possible understood that Ron should be Kimâs one-and-only partner, so his position was really never threatened. Monique does not want to be an action hero and is never given the sort narrative weight that elevates her to Ronâs level or higher, but that doesn't matter. The basic lesson here is still relevant and super important for the intended audience of both of these shows.
There did not need to be a Rena Rouge vs Chat Noir conflict that never got properly resolved. Miraculous could have made these two friends and no, Scarabella doesn't count because Chat Noir has no idea that Scarabella is Rena Rouge/Furtive. Their relationship ended at the end of Hack-San. He didn't even know that Rena Furtive was a thing until she was in the process of being benched and that's the problem.
Kim Possible is not a team show, Miraculous is, and yet Kim Possible has better team dynamics than Miraculous. Monique could have joined Kim's team at the end of Pain King vs. Cleopatra and it would have felt natural because both Kim and Ron had welcomed Monique and formed a genuine bond with her. This is a true friend group that Miraculous can only dream of even though they've been adding new superheroes since season two.
We're going into a season with a full, massive team and yet that team has no established dynamics on the hero side. It's not a functional team! None of these characters have meaningful relationships with each other as heroes save for Alya and Nino since they know each otherâs secret identities. The only relationships Miraculous cares about are the various romances and everyone's relationship to Marinette and everyone suffers for it.
The show would not have been harmed by Rena Rouge, Chat Noir, and Ladybug being a team. It was the thing I kept think after watching the Kim Possible episode. Since the team is the end game, why aren't we seeing them? It would have been so nice to have Hack-San end with Ladybug introducing Chat Noir to Rena Furtive instead of a nonsense discussion about an issue the episode didn't even address.
Okay, it's not that I hate Rainbow High. It's just that...who thought "future influencer" was a good career goal to give a teenage girl?!
Especially in a franchise geared towards children?
There are so many stories about what's wrong with influencers that I wouldn't make that a goal at all.
There are so many other things you can do with a Digital Media focus than influencer.
Or, if they didn't want to keep that, Violet has won at least one award for her photography.
Or, as we learn later, she used to paint.
Either of those would be acceptable.
Far better than influencer, the most unhealthy and toxic lifestyle you could pick for a Digital Media focus.
And they think one of their main characters should have that as a career goal.
Good grief.
Yeah, I think the creators don't really understand who's deserving of sympathy.
I mean, Gabriel is so obsessed with his goal that he's willing to put Adrien in danger. That's not a father deserving of sympathy.
He's so controlling that he's going to pick his son's girlfriend for him. He doesn't deserve sympathy for that.
And they forget that Emilie having been missing for only a year means she couldn't have possibly been the saint mom she was supposed to be.
Adrien never had a party before? Gabriel's a dick, sure, but Emilie was also around most of the time, and she wasn't throwing him a party either.
Adrien's never been to public school or had friends? That sucks! Why didn't Emilie let him do that?
The writers tell us Emilie was a saint, but based on what's actually in the show, she was far from it.
I wonder what change would've you make Gabriel if he was an actual effective sympathetic villain the show seem to think instead of the pathetic display of canon. On the other note, what would've you make to actually have Emilie be this saint like character the show keep saying she is
To start, there'd have to be lines that Gabriel just *wouldn't* cross. No akumas that target his son, for starters, no "Chat Blanc" scenario where he finds out Chat's identity and then beats the shit out of him, and no making ridiculous decisions for Adrien like deciding his girlfriend.
Season 5 Gabriel cannot exist, it was actually inSANE of the writer's to put the worst version of him on display...and then play him off as the hero. Like, wut? WHAT?!
I fully admit that in the earlier seasons, I didn't consider Gabriel an abuser. I considered him a dick, but abuser felt too...top shelf of a word to use, though I also contend that his behavior felt like the starting signs. Mostly I just considered him pathetic and like Kids Tv Exaggerated Version of a Strict Parent.
But Season 5??? Uh, yeah, no discussion, this guy is an abusive dickbag and can burn in hell.
Just make it so the reason Hawkmoth fails as often as he does is because sometimes he holds back. Sometimes he gets close to the line and remembers his wife and just can't make himself do something SO heinous that his wife would be disappointed.
As for ACTUALLY selling the Emilie is a Saint Mom, it's super easy. Just have flashbacks. Where she's interacting with her husband and child and sorta not girlfriend? Like, they revealed these video recordings of Emilie in SEASON 5! It took FIVE SEASONS for us to hear Emilie's voice from Emilie herself! (Amelie doesn't count)
And, uh, maybe as a writer think about what you're implying with the things you include in your story. Like, maybe EITHER have Adrien not ever have a birthday party OR have his mom missing for only a year, so it doesn't seem like Emilie *also* didn't care about his birthday. Just, you know. Little things like that that don't accidentally inform us of her character.
This is probably the closest to what the Isle is, but it's worth mentioning that The Isle is still a prison.
And, in real life, when a baby is born in prison, the baby is removed from the prison and either given to relatives of the mother or placed in foster care.
In Descendants, when kids were born on The Isle, which is basically a prison, the kids were left on The Isle, despite the conditions not being good.
No one even checked to make sure the conditions were suitable for children.
No one thought "hey, we should check and see if The Isle has what it needs to take care of kids" or "we should probably not leave kids on The Isle since their parents can't take care of them."
Sure, Adam agreed they were innocent, when they were sixteen. He agreed they were innocent when Ben was making his first proclamation as King.
He had, at least, sixteen years to decide the kids were innocent enough to leave The Isle.
Sixteen years to decide to give them a chance at a better life.
And he didn't choose to do it, Ben decided to invoke his power as King to do it.
Or, in other words, he didn't do it until it was no longer his choice anyways.
I mean, sure, he could've kept arguing, but there was no changing Ben's mind, and in a month, he wouldn't have had the power to do anything anyways.
It's also worth mentioning, everyone knew about the kids.
Ben said that every time he looked out at The Isle, he felt like the kids had been abandoned.
Everyone knew about the kids. No one was surprised they existed.
But no one cared enough to make they had what they needed.
Ben's right; the kids had been abandoned.
And it would've been nice to see them call the people of Auradon out for it.
The most unbelievable thing about Disney's Descendants is that the princes and princesses, people who are known for being kind and compassionate, would be okay with literal children living on The Isle, despite knowing what things are like on The Isle, just because their parents are villains.
Like, I'll believe they decided to put their dangerous villains there to protect everyone.
(Not villains like LeFou and Smee though, because they're just not worth the trouble.)
But you expect me to believe that no one thought it wouldn't be fair to punish the kids for their parents' crimes? That people who are known for being kind thought this was fair?
Sorry, not buying it.
And it's not that they didn't know, because everyone knew the villains had kids, so they just, somehow, honestly thought this was a good idea.
But I don't believe it.
I understand that it has to be that way for plot reasons. My proposed change would be a very simple one:
They didn't know there were kids on The Isle.
They only found out shortly before Ben was going to be coronated, because Belle and Adam wanted to check on The Isle one more time before it became Ben's responsibility.
Thus, Ben immediately decides to invite some VKs to Auradon for a better life, but Belle and Adam are concerned that the VKs might be a lot like their parents. He agrees to only invite a few at first, but he's confident that they're not evil, just in terrible conditions.
I agree with all of this, and I'm adding I complaint I have:
Lila has no goals or motivation.
After her introductory episode, it was easy to defend her lying with Lila being new and struggling to make friends.
And, honestly, that would have been good enough.
But then, Lila appears again and, despite being caught in her lies, she doubles down and keeps lying, for seemingly no reason other than manipulating everyone around her.
Revenge against Ladybug might be a goal, but it seems a bit drastic for getting called out for lying. Especially when she was offered forgiveness by Ladybug and Adrien.
Lila's behavior then escalates from lying to allying with a super villain.
And she apparently has multiple families who know her under different identities, one of whom is a student at another school.
Again, no reason known for Lila to do this, and it has nothing to do with her revenge against Ladybug.
So, Lila manipulates everyone around her, for no known reason.
And since Lila's been around since the end of season 1, she should have a little more backstory by now.
Especially with the latest special, where Lila makes a wish that almost destroys the universe.
What did Lila wish for? What is her goal? Why is she doing this?
No one knows. Hopefully we'll get answers in season 6, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
I guess my biggest complaint is that Lila is a plot device, not a character.
And that's just terrible writing.
So for those of you who arenât new to my blog or fanfics, it should come as no surprise that I despise Lila Rossi from Miraculous Ladybug canon.
I despise her as a person. I despise her as a character. And I despise the very idea that she is in any way supposed to be a credible villain or that her choosing to be an antagonist is supposed to be anyoneâs fault but her own. She annoys me in every possible way except for the reasons canon would probably have intended.
But ultimately, if I had to explain my specific issues with her and her character, itâd boil down to four main things:
One, Lila is a plot device.
From the moment she first appears in the story and well into any of her subsequent appearances, Lilaâs purpose is to further a plot.
Not THE plot, mind you. Not the central story of the entire series about a supervillain attacking the city which has been dragged out for five seasons now or even the B plot of the love square that is so far removed from a slow burn by this point that the candle has long been extinguished from lack of oxygen.
No, itâs just A plot. And not even a good one. Outside of that specific plot of the day, Lila doesnât really do anything, even when she arguably should be given the character that canon has presented her as.
And canon proves this is the case because Lila almost literally disappeared off the face of the earth with no explanation for nearly the entirety of season 2 until the finale when they suddenly need her again and say âoh yeah, by the way, she was just hiding out at home the whole time until Hawk Moth was ready to start this specific plan that is reliant on her to be thereâ. Sure, Gabriel has no way of knowing that Lila would even still be in Paris at that time, but that's the nature of a plot device in that it just works.
Lila appears. She manipulates and it works out. Then once her scheme is completed, she disappears into the ether again with little to no follow up or mention of her in the meantime.
Lila is a plot device and only exists as the plot demands. Which is even more problematic because of the next point.
Two, there is nothing that Lila does that couldnât have been accomplished by an already established character.
Lila is supposed to be another rival over Adrien and another antagonist character for Marinette on both sides of the mask, which should be fine and even expected in a story.
The problem with that is that Marinette already HAS a rival and antagonist in Chloe, who seems to have everything needed to be a better antagonist. She has the power of wealth and nepotism to use against anyone she doesnât like and to protect herself from consequences. Even better, she has a direct connection to the male lead that can at least give cause for her to appear to have a chance as a romantic rival as well as a reason for the female lead to not act against her if it would risk upsetting him. In addition, fans have been pegging her as a helper to Hawk Moth since season one, which would have been a potential route for her characterâand what ended up happening ANYWAY given the events of Miracle Queen and season 4.
So why even have Lila then? There is nothing Lila brings to the table that is new or unique. She does nothing that couldnât be accomplished by already existing characters who could fill whatever role sheâs supposed to serve and they could do it WITHOUT the plot having to literally turn on its head to make thing work out.
Sheâs basically like Chloeâthereâs no other way to put it. She is a sneakier and less obviously evil Chloe. They both are antagonistic towards the female lead while crushing on the male lead. They both do bad things and get away with it. They both act incredibly juvenile in their expectations and show no real understanding of either accountability or cause and effect. And they both agree to help the big bad just to get back at Ladybug for not letting them have something they feel entitled to with no real concern as to the fallout that would occur even if it should directly affect them.
The only difference is that Chloe at least has an in-universe reason for why she is never stopped. A frustrating reason, mind you, but still A reason.
Chloe gets away with things because sheâs rich and her father is the guy running the city. Horrible? Yes. True to life? Arguably. But itâs something confirmed in canon and something we as the audience can see and understand the reason behind.
Lila doesnât have that. What does she have then? Well, not much, actually.
Three, Lilaâs actions are not intelligent or reasonable.
This one is especially important because canon has been trying to paint it that Lila is some sort of mastermind and supposed to be a credible threat.
But as the writers donât seem to understand âshow, donât tellâ, Lilaâs actions donât really fit with that narrative. She either does things that a master manipulator wouldnât do, or doesnât take the obvious actions that one would.
A lot of her actions are poorly thought out:
Claiming to be the best friend of a superhero she know exists to someone she should know follows the exploits of and has had interviews with said hero, and just assumes that the claim will never be brought up if the two should meet again.
Claiming on a major news source to be the best friend of a superhero who is constantly under attack and may thus make Lila a potential target of anyone seeking to harm said hero.
Stealing what is clearly a very old possibly one of a kind book and going so far as to throw it away and just assume that the owner wonât notice or care that itâs missing.
NOT accepting Ladybugâs offer of friendship when the hero is clearly feeling guilty and would put Lila in a prime position to manipulate said hero out of that guilt and make at least one of her lies true.
And thatâs just in Volpina. After that, Lila hid away at home for months on end just to sulk in her room over being caught. Which is really pathetic in and of itself, especially when there was no valid in character reason for her to do that instead of anything else, like maybe trying to do damage control.
Letâs remember that only two people knew Lila was lyingâthe hero she lied about and the crush the hero outted her in front of. Since Lila was clearly still in contact with the classmates during her self-imposed exile, she would have to have known that nobody else was aware of her lies, meaning those two people never told anyone about what she had been doing. Everyone else still believed her.
And of the two who knew, one apologized to LILA after Lila had selfishly lied about and insulted her while the other was still clearly trying to be on good terms with her even if he was disappointed in her for lying. Adrien actually offered to be her friend and only asked her to stop lying.
And Lila doesnât use that to her advantage. A truly good manipulator can manipulate someone even if that person knows sheâs a manipulator. She could have just accepted Adrienâs offer and it would have been a relatively small loss on her part in comparison to what she would have gained. She could have spun a sob story about why she lies and make herself look sympathetic to him so he would more willingly support herâand give her more of a chance to win him over because he would believe that they have a connection that way.
Instead, the master manipulator that Lila supposedly is chose to double down on her earlier lies and pout about how Ladybug is the liar even when itâs obvious that Ladybug wasnât and even more obvious that Adrien wouldnât believe her. Before stealing an akuma for herself and using it to frame ADRIEN for nicely asking her to stop lying to him instead of trying to frame Ladybug to him to give her lies more credence.
So each of Lilaâs choices donât make sense with the character that we are told Lila is supposed to be.
If Iâm being charitable, I would say she just isnât a master manipulator.
If Iâm being blunt, I would say sheâs stupid.
Now, it could be argued that sheâs a teenager and doesnât think things through, except that none of this is ever acknowledged as a mistake by either Lila herself or the narrative.
Lila keeps letting her emotions cloud her judgement. Which is interesting because Marinette is noted to have that as her main character flaw. Except for Marinette, this is actually portrayed as a flaw and something she has to correct and make up for while for Lila, it just somehow always works out in her favor.
Which leads to my next pointâŠ
Four, Lila is overly reliant on the plot to function as an antagonist.
If we're looking at things objectively, Lila isnât smart and her plans arenât that great. Whatever she schemes only seems to work because the plot requires them to rather than because of any real capability on Lilaâs part. It becomes increasingly evident that Lila gets away with things because apparently plot demands that no one is allowed to so much as doubt what she says. They are forced to blindly believe her and follow whatever trail she wants them to, even when they arguably shouldnât. So no one is able to figure out that sheâs a liar aside from the female lead sheâs a rival to and the big bad, and the latter of the two has reason to not do something about the giant red flag Lila presents.
This ultimately does less to show how clever Lila is and more to further emphasize the major problem of the series itself that too much of the show is reliant on nobody but Marinette doing anything. Lilaâs character especially highlights that issue in that people who SHOULD have noticed Lilaâs blatant lies or SHOULD have reason to respond in some way to her actionsâŠdonât. And even in the relatively rare instance when they do, nothing comes of it.
We clearly see Damocles trying and failing to reach Lilaâs mom about her unexplained extended absence in the Heroes Day finale, but this is never brought up again when she returns. Damocles himself seems to forget about it when he reappears to interact with Lila in the âLadybugâ episode. It also shows a giant disconnect between the Principal and the teachers in that we clearly see Bustier setting up a video call with Lilaâso apparently Damocles isnât aware that Bustier has direct contact with Lila and may know why sheâs supposedly missing school and Bustier isnât aware that Lila has been skipping school and that the administration hasnât been able to make contact with her studentâs family? Maybe Lila is âjust that goodâ, but that speaks more of a level of ineptness in the school that we as the audience arenât supposed to be seeing.
Most of Lilaâs plots work out this way. She can outright manipulate people and have evidence of that manipulation be present for all to see, but nobody reacts. We donât see Nino respond to the mass text of that picture Lila took of herself kissing Adrien after she told Nino she wasnât interested in him. We donât see Alya at any point connect the dots that if Marinette is Ladybug, then Lila would have to have been lying. They just seem to forget the clearly suspicious things theyâve witnessed and immediately jump to defend Lila as the plot requires. This makes no sense for these characters and it makes no sense for the plot.
As such, given the combination of these issues, I dislike Lila in Miraculous Ladybug not because sheâs âevilâ, but because she acts stupidly and is entirely reliant on plot armor. Itâs even worse that the narrative is trying to TELL me that she is smart and an evil mastermind when itâs only SHOWING me otherwise. And the biggest problem is that for all her obvious objective failings, she doesnât actually face any real loss because the narrative bends over backwards to ensure she somehow attains victory in any episode she appears.
As it stands, I would say that Lilaâs only real ability is her apparent power to dumb down anyone she comes in contact with if the show didnât already do that without her.
That is another excellent point, but it's still disturbing.
Even if it was just those three, the fact that they either didn't know what The Isle was like or didn't care is disturbing.
In Beauty and The Beast, Adam was cursed into the form of a beast because he behaved cruelly towards someone who turned out to be an enchantress (or fairy).
Only once Beast starts learning to be a kind person does someone fall in love with him and break the curse.
Cinderella got a movie where Anastasia made amends with Cinderella and found love on her own. Fairy Godmother would know about that.
So, clearly, everyone who was ever a villain or a villain's sidekick, or people who are descended from villains, should be forced to live in squalor. No one can ever grow as a person and do better, and their children are guaranteed to be as bad as them no matter what we do. /s
The whole story was about how anyone can grow past being a monster if they want to and are given the chance. To say that no one else should ever get that opportunity and that the kids of villains are damned just for being their kids is wildly out of character for all of them.
I guess most people assume all the heroes would know because they were sending their own villains there, and it'd seem weird and out of character to not ask questions.
But Beast doing a lot of lying, manipulating, and bribing would make sense.
Unfortunately, it'd mean Beast kind of sucks.
The most unbelievable thing about Disney's Descendants is that the princes and princesses, people who are known for being kind and compassionate, would be okay with literal children living on The Isle, despite knowing what things are like on The Isle, just because their parents are villains.
Like, I'll believe they decided to put their dangerous villains there to protect everyone.
(Not villains like LeFou and Smee though, because they're just not worth the trouble.)
But you expect me to believe that no one thought it wouldn't be fair to punish the kids for their parents' crimes? That people who are known for being kind thought this was fair?
Sorry, not buying it.
And it's not that they didn't know, because everyone knew the villains had kids, so they just, somehow, honestly thought this was a good idea.
But I don't believe it.
I understand that it has to be that way for plot reasons. My proposed change would be a very simple one:
They didn't know there were kids on The Isle.
They only found out shortly before Ben was going to be coronated, because Belle and Adam wanted to check on The Isle one more time before it became Ben's responsibility.
Thus, Ben immediately decides to invite some VKs to Auradon for a better life, but Belle and Adam are concerned that the VKs might be a lot like their parents. He agrees to only invite a few at first, but he's confident that they're not evil, just in terrible conditions.
That is an excellent point that I have a few thoughts about:
Regardless of whether or not they believe the villains love their kids, they certainly believe the villains were raising their kids to be villains, which doesn't sound like a good situation to leave kids in.
Also, there's no reason to think things on The Isle were good.
There's nowhere to grow food or material for clothes. Most of it is shipped in, and in one of the tie-in books, the VKs didn't know what bananas were as they only ever saw the peels.
And that's not even mentioning hygiene, medical needs, and education.
Ultimately, it's not like a reasonable person, especially not a reasonable ruler, would just assume things are good without bothering to check.
I might believe that Ben and the AKs didn't know what things were like on The Isle, but the only reason for the adults to not know is to just not care enough to check.
And since they already knew there were children on The Isle, that seems negligent at best.
The most unbelievable thing about Disney's Descendants is that the princes and princesses, people who are known for being kind and compassionate, would be okay with literal children living on The Isle, despite knowing what things are like on The Isle, just because their parents are villains.
Like, I'll believe they decided to put their dangerous villains there to protect everyone.
(Not villains like LeFou and Smee though, because they're just not worth the trouble.)
But you expect me to believe that no one thought it wouldn't be fair to punish the kids for their parents' crimes? That people who are known for being kind thought this was fair?
Sorry, not buying it.
And it's not that they didn't know, because everyone knew the villains had kids, so they just, somehow, honestly thought this was a good idea.
But I don't believe it.
I understand that it has to be that way for plot reasons. My proposed change would be a very simple one:
They didn't know there were kids on The Isle.
They only found out shortly before Ben was going to be coronated, because Belle and Adam wanted to check on The Isle one more time before it became Ben's responsibility.
Thus, Ben immediately decides to invite some VKs to Auradon for a better life, but Belle and Adam are concerned that the VKs might be a lot like their parents. He agrees to only invite a few at first, but he's confident that they're not evil, just in terrible conditions.
The most unbelievable thing about Disney's Descendants is that the princes and princesses, people who are known for being kind and compassionate, would be okay with literal children living on The Isle, despite knowing what things are like on The Isle, just because their parents are villains.
Like, I'll believe they decided to put their dangerous villains there to protect everyone.
(Not villains like LeFou and Smee though, because they're just not worth the trouble.)
But you expect me to believe that no one thought it wouldn't be fair to punish the kids for their parents' crimes? That people who are known for being kind thought this was fair?
Sorry, not buying it.
And it's not that they didn't know, because everyone knew the villains had kids, so they just, somehow, honestly thought this was a good idea.
But I don't believe it.
I understand that it has to be that way for plot reasons. My proposed change would be a very simple one:
They didn't know there were kids on The Isle.
They only found out shortly before Ben was going to be coronated, because Belle and Adam wanted to check on The Isle one more time before it became Ben's responsibility.
Thus, Ben immediately decides to invite some VKs to Auradon for a better life, but Belle and Adam are concerned that the VKs might be a lot like their parents. He agrees to only invite a few at first, but he's confident that they're not evil, just in terrible conditions.
First thought:
This one of the hardest parts of writing an AU.
For Chloe to face consequences, Andre would have to be less willing to break rules and laws for her.
But that leads to the problem of how did her reign of terror even last so long in the first place?
If the teachers don't need to worry about losing their jobs for disciplining Chloe, then how could she have gotten away with so much?
I have ideas, but putting it all together in a way that works is difficult.
Second thought:
This is a super annoying thing about canon: Andre and Gabriel are redeemable, but Chloe and Lila aren't.
Two grown adults are redeemable, but teenage girls aren't.
Neither Andre or Gabriel is shown doing anything worthy of redemption, but, sure, they get a pass.
Chloe is a literal child who is shown, on occasion, to feel bad for hurting others, but she's somehow irredeemable.
Lila's debut episode just had her lying about knowing celebrities which, though bad, doesn't make her the villain they turned her into.
(I have changes for her in my AU too.)
The men writing this show think grown adult men who hurt children are redeemable, but not literal children.
Gee, I wonder why that is? /s
What are your thoughts on what happened to Chloe at the end of Season 5? Do you plan on watching Season 6?
Like as IF that's the last we'll see of her.
I was gonna wait to give my review of Season 5 - I wanted a release date for Season 6 and then drop them like a count down leading up to the new season - which is why I haven't delved in much and talked about my opinions.
But Chloe's ending was bullshit, and we all know it. Not because she leaves Paris, not because she loses the few friends and connections she has, and not even because she's a massive brat who finally gets some form of comeuppance.
But because of the form that comeuppance comes in.
Why on God's Green Earth is ANDRE the one? ANDRE is the one to drag her ass out of Paris and condemn her publicly and gets to act like the big hero, doing the right thing and putting Chloe in her place? ANDRE. The one who GAVE her her place and covered it in gold leaf and never once until this whack-job of a season considered that a bad thing?!
Appropriate, appropriate face Caline.
The absolute absurdity of them to write THIS MAN in any sort of correct light, the one who from Day 1, Season 1 has been a solid and complete background for why Chloe is...Chloe. Who spoiled and abused his power to make sure she never felt an ounce of consequences or remorse or backlash. How dare they try and pull this move on us when they could remove Audrey from the story entirely and no one would second guess Chloe's entire personality or upbringing?
These writers have somehow convinced themselves that Andre is not only without any guilt in the outcome of this situation, but that he's redeemable! Redeemable through the act of shipping off his daughter, whom he's been nothing but devoted to, and sending her off to a boarding school with her (AS HE ADMITS) just as awful mother as her chaperone, while he abducts casually replaces her with his new better daughter, Zoé.
I'm sure that won't have an adverse effect on your child who is used to absolute and unconditional love for her whole life, you are definitely a good person who's finally figured out how to do the right thing.
These writers have somehow convinced themselves that Chloe is absolutely hopeless and evil and has reached the point of no return, but ANDRE. Andre's fine.
And Gabriel too, apparently. Hm, seems to be a theme with these worthless male parents and getting off scott free....
I don't believe she was a bully, I think she probably was bullied.
And then she found out her bully had a bad home life so she started being nice to her and her bully started being nice because of that.
And Ms. Bustier just hasn't realized that that's not going to work for every scenario.
Being nice to Chloe won't make her nicer because she rarely wants to be nice. She's faced no consequences for being mean so far, so there's no reason for her to want to be nice.
And making Marinette be nice to her only forces Marinette into situations where she's going to suffer.
Obviously, I so wanted Chloe to have a redemption arc, and I certainly give her one in my stories, but it does involve Chloe facing consequences for her actions.
And Ms. Bustier doesn't just not enforce consequences for Chloe, she also tries to make Chloe's victims be nice to her.
And this is stuff that definitely would have needed to change for Chloe to grow as a person.
So, really, Ms. Bustier isn't just failing Chloe's victims, she's failing Chloe as well.
And don't even get me started on Lila.
Continuing onto Bustier having trouble seeing Chloe as a bully, I how kinda headcanon that Bustier was a bully herself when she was Chloeâs age. Often bullies who grow up donât know/realize they were in fact bullies (until someone points it out/calls them out) so maybe sheâs blinded by her own inner guilt from her past? Idk just an idea
I don't think I'd agree with that for canon, but I'd def assign that headcanon to SL Bustier.
Not sure if you considered this, but does Ms. Bustier's partner agree with her teaching methods, given how supportive she was in canon?
I imagine Giselle gets a very...biased reimagining of what happens in Bustier's class. She's only got Caline to go off of sooooo...
So, I know I point out a lot about how Kim doesn't seem to value Ron all that much. But, in the interest of fairness, I am going to point out that...
...it seems to be a recent development.
In "A Sitch in Time" we learn that Kim and Ron met in preschool. Kim thought Ron was weird back then, but seemed to enjoy it.
In middle school, Kim was more sensitive to Ron's feelings, such as apologizing for making Ron feel bad about not getting a new computer. She was also kinder about Rufus.
So, somewhere along the way, Kim started disliking all the things she used to like about Ron, including Rufus.
It's anybody's guess as to when and why this happened, but it is truly sad to hear.
Kim used to like that Ron was weird and different. Now, she can't stand it.
Since I mentioned that there are times when Kim could have gotten character development if the creators had chosen to do it, I thought it'd be fair to give examples.
"The New Ron" - Kim learns she can be pushy and needs to respect her friends' decisions, even if she doesn't agree with them.
Note: I'd like to take out the aspect where Ron embraces the haircut and have him stay miserable instead. The takeaway from this episode, as written, is that you shouldn't force people into things because you might hate it. I want to focus on how miserable it'd make others to be forced into something like that. So, for those purposes, Ron stays miserable with his new haircut, and Kim learns that the reason you don't push people into stuff like that is because they'll be miserable and that's not something you should do to your friends.
"Number One" - If they had chosen to portray Will as competent, this could have been a valuable lesson for Kim about how being good at something doesn't mean no one else is good at it either. And that someone else being good at something doesn't diminish your skills. And that, sometimes, it is better to let someone else take over. The episode could end with Kim having a moment of humility where she has Bonnie takeover the job as Cheer Captain, not because she believes Bonnie will give it up in a few weeks, but because Bonnie is genuinely much better suited for the job.
"Sink or Swim" and "Return to Wannaweep" - These could have been episodes where Kim recognizes that she tends to dismiss Ron's feelings and realizes she needs to work on that.
"Coach Possible" - This would be a great moment for Kim to recognize that her competitive drive can get the best of her. It would be great if, to show that Kim recognized this and is going to work on it, they actually showed Kim apologizing to the team.
"The Ron Factor" - This would have been a great episode about Kim recognizing Ron's contributions and learning to appreciate him more.
"Adventures in Rufus-Sitting" - Kim could learn a lesson about taking her responsibilities seriously, both watching Rufus and guarding the chip.
It has come to my attention that a lot of people are probably under the impression that I hate Kim since I criticize her behavior a lot.
This is not true.
I do believe that Kim is selfish and very flawed.
And I'm frustrated that her flaws are often overlooked or ignored or, in the rare instances where her harmful actions are actually acknowledged, downplayed, easily forgiven, and not changed.
But this is not because I hate Kim.
This is because I love Kim, or at least I used to, and wish she had gotten better character development.
Kim is the main character. Heck, Kim is the titular character. Kim is the focus of the show.
But Ron is the relatable character. Ron is the one who gets the most development. Ron got so much development that, in the fourth season, they actually had him take a back seat on some missions to a literal baby because they made Ron too good to keep being Kim's sidekick.
(Not sure if that was their thought process or intention, but it happened.)
Overall, Kim remains a static character. What little character development she gets does not compare to Ron. At all.
Now, obviously I love Ron, too.
But Kim also should have gotten character development. And every time the creators had a chance for it, they decided against it.
I would honestly love Kim a lot more if they had given her the same level of character development they gave Ron.
I mean, the fans deserve that, at least.