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male writers writing male characters: This Bruce Killshot. He has over 10000 confirmed kills and is the top leading spy in the Super Hard To Get In Spy Organization Of The World. He is a master of every martial art and can use virtually any weapon with ease. He’s not only a Real Gruff Man but a Ladies man who smokes cigars while Having Sex With Beautiful Women but he never gets attached. He’s a hard Whiskey Drinking Man who once killed an elephant with a toothpick and bottle of glue.
Men: this is so realistic wow such a complex character….
A woman: This is Angela she’s the chosen one of this story and has a natural knack for magic and can-
men: this fucking self insert mary sue this is fucking trash are you kidding me
things tony got in civil war:
+ a flashback to an important moment in his past
+ a look at his parents and their relationship
+ a non-action/character driven scene to catch viewers up on what our hero has been doing
+ time given to his closest friendship, including a heartfelt/respectful scene at the end
+ an apology
things steve got in civil war:
+ none of that
I just read your Civil War discourse post and, honestly, you get the biggest round of applause. I, by no means, hate Tony for the side he chose and I love him just as much as I do Steve, but Steve always gets a bad rap for his role in CW because everyone just wants to boil it down to him trying to protect Bucky. I think if most people had actually paid attention to that movie and what agenda the accords were hiding, no one would’ve signed them! Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. -🅱️
I also don’t hate Tony! I think he’s a complicated, fascinating character – though I confess I am a little frustrated with the direction the writers took with his character by undoing a lot of his growth in Iron Man 3 (which I thought was a good movie) in order to shoehorn him into the center of AOU and CA:CW, though that’s my own personal peeve. But man, I remember watching Iron Man (2008) a gazillion times when it came out and loving it to bits! And I love the ways in which he is the model of an Aristotlean Tragic Hero Archetype. RDJ’s performance is spectacular to boot.
And you’re spot on about people boiling things down – inaccurately – into being about Bucky. Part of the problem with the CA:CW discourse, I think, is the amount of focus on fandom around Stucky – and this isn’t a criticism of Stucky! Just about how fandom distortions around ships can alter perceptions:
There’s this myth in fandom that 100% of everything Steve does and thinks is completely about Bucky all the time. And while Bucky is absolutely an important part of Steve’s life, they are both individuals with their own priorities and their own choices. Steve has a strong sense of right and wrong, and a lot of experiences with corrupt institutions outside of Bucky on which he bases his decisions. But the fandom echo chamber reframes everything as being Bucky-centered in CA:CW for the romance of it, when…. that isn’t really accurate. And so Team Iron Man folks who are also exposed to this fanon then frame Steve as acting irrationally and making everything all about Bucky, because that’s the exaggerated fandom shipping narrative dominant on tumblr, despite that not being what happens in canon.
The thing about the Accords is – I don’t think ANYONE thought that some kind of agreement for ensuring More Bad Shit didn’t happen was a bad idea. Steve makes it clear that the structure of this specific law – which completely deprives the Avengers of any agency while putting dangerous amounts of power in the hands of a few countries’ governments (mainly the former-imperialist nations who have permanent seats on the UN Security Council) and denying human rights to Enhanced Individuals – is not something he’s comfortable with. And then there’s no compromise available, because the thing is being railroaded through with no time for deliberation, amendment, discussion, or even a fucking lawyer to look it over. This is misrepresented by the other side as Steve refusing any kind of oversight ever.
And part of the reason both sides end up talking past one another is that one side is arguing about whether or not the ideal of legislation like the Accords – and what they are allegedly supposed to accomplish – is right, and basing a pro-Accords argument on that, while the other is arguing against the reality of the Accords – and the agenda Ross actually designed them to accomplish – to point out that the actual implementation of the Sokovia Accords is an Authoritarian disaster. And those are two different conversations, and two positions that can be simultaneously right. The idea of some kind of legal framework that the Avengers should have to abide by in order to defend the rights of nations and individuals isn’t a bad one. The Accords are also not the right framework to make that happen.
that’s would be like “the good the bad and the ugly“ xDDD
Steve Rogers + the ‘Captain America" fandom
Exactly!
Because I’m sick to death of anyone making Team Cap’s intention during the airport battle about anything other than Cap and company trying to get to Siberia to stop five other Winter Soldiers, here’s some dialogue from the movie for ya…
STEVE: Hear me out, Tony. That doctor, the psychiatrist, he’s behind all this.
TONY: Anyway. Ross gave me 36 hours to bring you in. That was 24 hours ago. Can you help a brother out?
STEVE: You’re after the wrong guy!
TONY: Your judgment is askew. Your old war buddy killed innocent people yesterday.
STEVE: And there are five more super soldiers just like him. I can’t let the doctor find them first, Tony. I can’t.
Then, later…
BUCKY: We gotta go. That guy is probably in Siberia by now.
STEVE: We gotta draw out the flyers. I’ll take Vision, you get to the jet.
SAM: No, *you* get to the jet! Both of you! The rest of us aren’t getting out of here.
CLINT: As much as I hate to admit it… if we’re going to win this one some of us might have to lose it.
SAM: This isn’t the real fight, Steve.
So anyone saying that Team Cap had any drive other than stopping five enhanced Hydra agents from being awakened by Zemo and wreaking havoc, or so they were led to believe, should probably get their ears checked.
Say it with me, folks. The airport battle was not about the Accords. At least not from Team Cap’s perspective.
awwww...
fandom: MCU ship: Steve Rogers/Tony Stark tags: Crack/Fluff/Humor
(inspired by this post)
“How are we doing, J?”
“Everything in order, Sir.” The robotic voice of the A.I. echoed on the room. “The laser is ready for activation.”
Tony turned on his chair, eyeing the monitor. There it was, right on the wall, in all his star-spangled glory: Captain America, also known as Steve Grant Rogers, also known as Tony Stark’s biggest nemesis.
As a villain, Tony wasn’t a big believer in maintaining long-term rivalries with heroes. He had heard enough horror stories of villains who got so caught up in defeating their counterparts their plans ended up slacking, turning lazy. Having a designated hero to fight could seem simpler in the surface, but in the long term, it just got messy. And if there was one thing Iron Man, twice-named most influential villain of the world by People’s magazine (take that, Gotham city), definitely didn’t need, was for his plans to get messy because of heroes who couldn’t stop sticking their noses where they didn’t belong.
However.
The Captain had been a different case. They came across each other by complete coincidence – Tony was running a very common world domineering plot, definitely not one of his most inspired works, and the Captain showed up with a few people from his team, What’s-His-Name and What’s-His-Name-With-Wings. To Tony’s surprise, the Captain cracked the steps of his plan easily, managing to surprise him when he marched into Tony’s lair, shield in hand, strong posture and confident voice as he turned his azure eyes towards Tony and proclaimed: Nowhere to run, Iron Man.
It had been rivalry at first sight.
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*adjusts glasses* I’m sorry, Mr. Evans, but it appears that your request to conclude your run as Steve Rogers has been denied due to *highlights portion of document* the lack of a legitimate Captain America 3 film. Please re-submit your request when said movie has been filmed and completed, thank you 👍🏻
exactly
Fans: We didn’t like X-Men The Last Stand because it didn’t focus on Jean Grey or the Phoenix force and just made it about Xavier’s guilt and her love interests’ grief, there was no need for Jean to join Magneto, and the movies didn’t set up a team dynamic with any history that was sad to watch be tested.
Fox Executives:
15 favorite MCU characters (as voted by my followers): 1. Steve Rogers (19%)
For as long as I can remember, I just wanted to do what was right. I guess I’m not quite sure what that is anymore. And I thought I could throw myself back in: follow orders, serve. It’s just not the same.
Wow. Creepy
“Captain Marvel should smile more” “she looks so serious all the time” “she should smile more” “she’ll look better with a smile”
BRIE LARSON SNAPPED
#petition for kevin feige to give us an entire movie with loki pretending to be steve rogers
#petition for kevin feige to give us an entire movie with loki pretending to be steve rogers
Allllllllsssssoooooooocommission
8012 new year/valentine postcards for CN stony fandom
I don't understand. There are sports where people wear skintight suits all the time. Like skiing, for example. What's the problem? She looks fantastic in it.
“One must respect the game”, but when is French Open going to respect Serena?!
CW is a huge letdown for all Steve fans. I’m still so angry about it. But if I remember correctly they said that RDJ wouldn’t agree to this film if his character would have too little screen time or shown in the wrong. And you can’t have CW without him. I think all they could do really is name it Avengers Civil war. Now for me there is only 2 Cap films and 4 avengers films. What a shame
And with Cap’s supposedly “big role” in the next Avengers I can’t help but think that it will be another disappointment. I so hope I’m wrong here.
how they could have kept cap 3 civil war w/o turning it into avengers 2.5
-do not open the film with action. the captain american movies have always been incredibly human. keep the pattern tfa & tws set; open with a moment//moments that add to steve rogers’ character
- scratch the tony narrative Completely. i’m sorry to any tony fans but seriously, get that out of there. follow steve’s perspective and steve’s perspective only, the exception being for plot-driven scenes only
-given us more steve. he felt like a secondary character to his own film. how could that have been remedied? replace any time alotted by tony flashbacks and character insight with Steve flashbacks and character insight. give me steve watching the mother who had cared for him his whole life, breathing her last breaths in his arms, consumed by sickness. give me a quiet moment with sam, heartbroken and apologetic after two years of unsuccessfully searching for what, a ghost? give me steve helping a old woman carry her groceries into her apartment, and have her recognize him. have him spending the rest of the day with her, unguarded.
-exploit thaddeus ross’ moral depravity; he is not just some hardass trying to push politics. the project he led illegally experimented on prisoners, he lied to bruce banner (and the misinformation is what led to bruce being turned into the hulk), he personally swore he’d kill bruce and hunted him to endlessly bruce saw no other option than to try to kill himself
-highlight the worst part of the accords. remind the audience that nefarious interests have infiltrated the government before. show us a flashback where steve’s actions were manipulated by a hydra controlled shield & the negative consequences. show us that the government does not always follow the moral highground.
-let us have more time where steve interacts with bucky. let them have an actual conversation.
-give us more sam wilson, someone who connected with steve and saw him as more than captain america when no one else would
-make us feel as desperate as steve feels. let us know just will happen if steve doesn’t come out on top this time. give us the hopelessness, make us be sided 100% with steve with no reservations because this is His story, without a single doubt, this is his struggle. we are rooting for steve no matter what as he fights an unjust world that would have killed his best friend without sure evidence, that would have imprisoned him, that would have dictated his every move and treated him and those like him as weapons and pawns
there should have never been sides. it should not have been open for interpretation. it should have just been the story of a man who keeps fighting for what he believes in and stands up against any bully, even if it means pitting him against the whole world, and yet, and yet,…. he still triumphs and refuses to be put down
I’d like Cap 3 movie
petition to rename captain america civil war avengers civil war and finally make the real cap three (food for thought: captain america: the nomad, following fugitive steve rogers as he struggles between following his morals and disobeying the world, while balancing new/old relationships and taking down whats left of hydra)
I just don’t understand how people can hate/not like marvel heroes. They are literally all little bundles of goodness wrapped in flaws that make them human and relatable. I love each and everyone one of them for different reasons, never could I ever say a bad word against them.
reblog if you cherish and protect all of the marvel heroes <3
As someone who is in their 40′s and who was around at the dawn on the internet and online fandom - who moved from only being able to find fanfics in zines bought at a corner table at the far end of a con to things like yahoogroups, to ff.net, to livejournal, to message boards, to here, the problem in fandom today is moderation. In the old days anti’s would have been kicked out of a community. They wouldn’t even be allowed a platform to spread their vile. Any person raising shit within a yahoogroups community, within a livejournal community, within a message board, would have been given a warning, then expelled entirely with repeated bad behavior.
Tumblr fandom has forgotten this basic fact:
It’s rude, selfish and intolerant (to the fact that tastes vary) to post hate. Why? Because other people like the thing you are hating on and it upsets them to see that hatred of the thing they like. Would you go up to someone at SDCC wearing a Deadpool costume and tell that person Deadpool sucks? No. That would be an gigantic display of bad manners (and poor parenting on your parents’ part) and a serious display of a character flaw on your part, especially as what constitutes ‘suck’ is subjective (in my opinion Deadpool does NOT suck). It’s putting your need to be an asshole over the feelings of others.
Same principle should apply on Tumblr.
Before anyone hits the ‘post’ button they should stop and consider the following:
Does this post contribute positively to the community?
How will this post affect others?
If the post I am making were about something that I love that someone else was trashing on, how would I feel to read it?
Hate posters are under the impression that only their mindset matters, only their feelings, and they care little for the feelings of others, which is not only intolerant, and selfish, but it is an attitude that should be discouraged at all costs by the rest of the community. It should not be an attitude that is allowed to fester within fandom. I wish more people would publicly call this very poor behavior out.
Freedom of speech is a responsibility as much as it is a right… a responsibility to choose our words wisely and be mindful that this world is a shared one.
Ahaha another one. He is right actually
August 1, 2018
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=941594836008982&id=154213784747095
Amazing answer to a disgustingly hypocritical post. As a big Stony fan I’m really shocked. Now I remember why I never go beyond my subscribes here
The extreme negativity of the few assholes who style themselves “anti-Tony Stark” must be exhausting.
And this extends to ANY so-called “fan” who actively hates another fandom, a ship, a character – I don’t care what. You should be ashamed.
If you are simmering in your stew of hatred, thinking about hating a fictional story or ship or character every day, spending your precious time and energy blogging your jealousy or hatred…or worse, stalking the fandom tags and trying to ruin the joy of fandom for others – then you are part of the ugliness and negativity in this world that only leads to more ugliness and hate.
And don’t you think there’s more than enough hatred in this world already?
Do we really need hate and toxicity in fandom??
Fandom is supposed to be a fun escape for people who are passionate about a fictional character or characters, a story, a show or movie, a performer. If you try to turn that against itself, you’re not only unworthy of being a “fan,” you are part of this world’s problems.
Can you imagine, for instance, making a blog and a tag about some fictional thing you dislike – and then literally going onto the fandom tag of the people who love that character, or stalking passionate fans who love that particular thing, and spreading your hatred and ugliness?
Can you imagine TRYING to ruin the joy and happiness of people who maintain a loyal fandom for that character – building whole blogs hating the thing they love, calling them names, sending them literal death threats, trying to – I don’t know what? “Change their minds” about a character they love?
That’s a fool’s errand. It won’t happen. Throwing slings and arrows at a thing only makes the people who love that thing circle the wagons in protection of what they love, and love it even more. Ruin their happiness? You can try - but it won’t happen. Really all you succeed in doing is having them think less of YOU – that you’re a bully and that you’re ridiculous.
You may think you’re having “fun” by being jealous of and hating a fandom, a character or a ship and spreading the hate around. You may wallow in this mire with a few other small-minded individuals who, like you, only want to curse and hate and defame and threaten.
But in the end it’s not much “fun,” is it? Hating is toxic; it eats at the soul of the hater. Hate and negativity is usually the tactic of people with low self-esteem who want to build themselves up by attacking something. If you surround yourself with negativity and spend so much energy on bullying and hating and jealousy, it will come back upon YOU. You’re the one creating and living in the toxic stew. You’re the one spending your time actively trying to ruin others’ joy. You create your own reality. And – on top of all that – it’s just not getting you anywhere. Your negativity makes the lovers of the thing love the thing even more. It makes them actively dislike YOU. So you’re basically stuck in a poisonous loop of your own making.
How much better it would be, for your own mental health, to simply avoid the things you dislike, instead of showering toxicity on people who love and enjoy the things? How much better to spend your time and energy on POSITIVE things – blogging about the things you love, for instance?
tl; dr: Just about every day, we see that the world has more than enough hate and bullying and negativity. We don’t need it in fandom as well.
STOP FANDOM HATE AND NEGATIVITY.
For the rest of us:
Wow. The most accurate CW Steve meta. Thank you thank you thank you
“We don’t trade lives”- Captain Steven Grant Rogers
Steve’s (my) actual reaction to Zemo’s bullshit in Civil War.
For @bisteverogers ❤ ❤ ❤
The thing about "Steve stuck in the past re: Bucky/Peggy/life in general" is that, by itself, I think it's a valid writing choice. There are scenes that could support that interpretation, and it's a plausible way to add depth to Steve's character and create some conflict. But it's so often done in a "Steve should just get over himself" kind of way, rather than a "Steve is understandably struggling here" kind of way, which sucks.
Point. It’s presented as this unhealthy thing…almost a character flaw that Steve is ‘stuck in the past’. As if he’s an old man whining about the good old days and not someone who is grieving the destruction of his entire world. And it’s not just done in a way where “Steve should just get over himself” but also in a way that Steve being stuck in the past makes him toxic to Bucky/Tony/the team/ and he needs to get over himself because he’s hurting someone else. It’s never about what that grief is doing to him.
Sometimes I think the magnitude of Steve’s loss is what makes his trauma so completely incomprehensible to fandom while they sit and churn out overused childhood abuse tropes for Tony or Loki. Or it could just be the fact that Steve is a stoic character because Bucky’s trauma should also be absolutely incomprehensible but fandom sure manages to give a tonne of shits about it.
“Two things only the greatest fools do: throw stones at hornets’ nests and threaten a Witcher.”
Happy (belated) Birthday, @spacebuck! 💜Here’s Steve as a witcher, come to fuck shit up.
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We’re right there with you, Scott. Right there with you.
dogs and snapchat
Steve Rogers, July 4, 1918.-