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C!dream is raised by c!puffy on her ship, around raucous sailors who regale him with tales of their adventures, who sing together horribly off key, and his childhood lullabies were the songs sung by his shipmates.
C!dream sings sea shanties alone in his cell to fill the silence.
And he wonders where his family, where his mother, have gone.
The tunes don’t sound the same when sung by one voice that trembles with unshed tears.
Some shows and fandoms c!dream antis would not survive in, and should not watch
Bojack horseman, loki, mcu in general, dcu (specifically thinking of Jason todd), she ra, breaking bad
Feel free to add more!
What if:
c!dream remembers how almost the entire server watched as he lost two canon lives; and that no one said anything to stop him being murdered.
c!dream has recurring nightmares where the server watches again, but this time it’s as c!quackity takes his sanity.
C!dream becomes so sure that there are other people in the cell when c!quackity visits him. That the people he once called friends are watching him be tortured. Sometimes he sees them out of the corner of his eye, other times he can only feel them watching. Sometimes he begs for their help, pleads with the mirages his mind has conjured. C!quackity will occasionally indulge these hallucinations, pretend to interact with them, make c!dream detail exactly who he’s seeing. Other times he taunts c!dream with the knowledge of his tenuous grasp on reality, question the logic of certain peoples presence, and do anything he can to remind c!dream that he’s alone, that he only has c!quackity now.
C!dream tells c!techno how many witnesses there had been to his torture. C!techno tells him it wasn’t real, that no one could have watched his suffering and stood idly by. C!dream is so grateful, he’d been so confused when everyone, even his best friends, had done nothing as they watched him be murdered. But it hadn’t been real... right?
We know that early dsmp streams and content are lore, right? Stuff from before anyone started roleplaying, still counts as part of a character.
That means that cc!dream, messing around with his friends on the server, is a canonical part of c!dreams character.
So why do people argue that c!dream was abusive and a bad person this whole time???
The reason I bring this up is because when c!sapnap visited c!dream in prison, c!dream wrote that he’d get out eventually, and c!sapnap responded with-
‘No, dude. You can’t. Look, I love you, man, but you- you gotta stay here. This is where… this is where you belong for now. Maybe… Maybe one day if everyone’s cool with it.’
Does c!dream truly believe that anyone's’ opinions will ever change? In that same visit, c!sapnap then promises he’d kill him himself if he escaped. His best friend could vow to kill him, why would anyone else show him ‘mercy’?
C!dream knew that imprisonment hadn’t been implemented with any plans to release him. He would have had his final life taken if it weren’t for his last piece of leverage, the revive book.
C!dream has to hold out hope for escape for his own sanity. The alternative is spending the rest of his life in torturous conditions.
Was c!dream told about this chance of release for good behaviour that c!sapnap mentioned?
The removal of all positive traits from c!dream is harmful to abuse survivors.
Abusers are not terrible 100% of the time. Many are leading community members, or known for their charisma and friendliness.
It is an incredibly common narrative that people doubt that they were actually abused, as the perpetrator displayed kindness and positive traits, to both their victims and other people.
When abuse victims do come forward, their experiences are often denied by people who had a good experience with the abuser.
Allowing c!dream not only makes for a more compelling narrative and character, but it also makes it easier for people to identify abusers.
Maybe you still think c!dream is evil, and that’s okay. But evil has a human face.
Was c!dream told about this chance of release for good behaviour that c!sapnap mentioned?
If people really wanted to keep c!dream from hurting people, they would focus on rehabilitation, not retribution
I have an idea, we stop calling it ‘pandoras vault’ and instead refer to it as ‘the torture chamber’
Burning hot take:
I’m not usually one for pain olympics, but since people keep saying that c!dream’s actions towards others are justification for his torture I gotta say it.
The prison is worse that exile
I somewhat disagree, as trauma is subjective- however I absolutely agree that the prison is a clear escalation. And even if exile was ‘worse’ that doesn’t make any further mistreatment okay!
‘C!Dream is a bad person because he has no empathy’
‘I don’t feel bad for c!dream, I laugh whenever he suffers, he deserves the prison’
??
if i see one more person say that c!dream was the one to build pandoras vault the way it currently is—
C!dream antis will really argue that torture is fine as long as the character has done enough things wrong, and then call us the abuse apologists
So many people wrongly assume that ‘c!dream apologists’ argue that he did nothing wrong, and therefore he doesn’t deserve what’s happening to him.
He did so many things wrong, and hurt so many people, and still doesn’t deserve what’s happening to him.
both c!tommy and c!sapnap have said that Pandora's vault is a fate worse then death
apropos of nothing, here’s a quote from a medical paper
‘for just about all prisoners, being held in isolated confinement for longer than 3 months causes lasting emotional damage if not full-blown psychosis and functional disability’
Tw torture /rp
Quackity learns from Sam that Dream likes to touch the lava sometimes, “for attention,” Sam says, or to disturb visitors.
At his next visit, Q forces him into the lava, over and over. Normally Dream would step in for a moment, then run back to the respawn pool to put himself out, but Quackity won’t let him.
When Q leaves, Dream presses himself against the wall on the far side of the cell, as far from the lava as he can get. It used to be “exhilarating,” but now the thought of touching it makes him sick.
!!!!!
how exactly is exile different from pandoras vault?
Is it because ctommy’s a minor? Does that mean it would have been okay if c!dream had simply waited a year? Or was it that c!tommy hadn’t done anything ‘bad enough’ to deserve it. Couldn’t c!dream then argue that he would have done worse things, if he hadn’t intervened?
The actions the server took to condemn c!dream only served to validate his choices.
thinking about c!dreams clock once again
Constantly throwing it away makes so much sense, beyond just as a way to see c!sam.
The constant ticking only serves to let him feel every second of his time imprisoned. To know exactly how many days he’s been locked away, that’s a torture all on it’s own. But so would ignorance. To be unsure of how much time has passed between each delivery of food rations. Are they coming further apart now? C!sam comes to give him a new clock and says its been only a day, but he’d been so sure a week had passed.
an effect of solitary confinement is paranoia. C!dream begins to suspect his clock has been tampered with. It speeds up, slows down. Surely it hasn’t been that long yet? And yet, surely its been longer?
he cares too much about this inanimate object. Anytime he realises that he couldn’t bare to have it taken from him, he destroys it himself.
What if c!quackity finds out abt c!dreams’ sh. He decides that since he’s so good at hurting himself, he can give c!quackity a break. C!dream being instructed to inflict pain, being handed a weapon and only able to turn it against himself. One of his few forms of control taken by c!quackity. Self harm had been an unhealthy coping mechanism, but it was one of only a few coping mechanisms’ he’d had
‘you only like c!dream because you think he’s hot!’
I’m a lesbian????
touch starved c!dream really do be making me feel things
sometimes I remember the fact that c!quackity canonically brought shears with him to pandoras vault and I have to go and lie down
what if after pandoras vault c!dream develops agoraphobia.
C!techno had teased him for not having a house for so long, and now he can barely even leave his room.
when will people stop saying that c!dream is manipulating c!ranboo,,
So many people argue that c!dream being imprisoned and tortured is best for c!tommy... is it really? Surely the most reassuring thing for him would be knowing that his abuser has been rehabilitated and no liber want to hurt him? Instead he just lives everyday unsure if c!dream will escape and hurt him again. Perpetuating the cycle of violence, focusing on the punishment of crimes rather then the prevention of them future ones, hurts everybody, including c!tommy.
After pandoras vault, c!dream can’t be around clocks anymore; not without falling into a dissociative state, convinced he once again has nothing but the endless ticking to keep him sane
thinking abt c!dream avoiding one half of the cell, and staying close to the lava. c!techno finally asks him what’s wrong, and him haltingly explaining that c!quackity held his head underwater whenever he got bored of using weapons, and now he can’t go near the sink.