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Anytime someone dehumanises c!dream I love him even more out of spite
I need someone to edit that one community meme so it says ‘i can excuse torture but i draw the line at manipulation’
‘C!dream doesn’t like c!techno! He’s just using him!’ - what???? He literally stood up to his torturer for c!techno??
c!dream was proven right about attachments; over and over again
Fandom critical-
I think some c!tommy apologists who are also c!dream antis don’t think ANYONE is allowed to like morally grey characters. In order to like c!tommy, they feel as though he can’t have any flaws. That if he’s both a bit of a dick sometimes and still their favourite character, it’s a moral failing on their part. And if they have to make c!tommy perfect in order to like him, how can they let others appreciate c!dream?
this is very much subjective- and informed by own journey of dealing with abuse. I hope this makes sense, and I am very much open to other (respectful) opinions.
~The ‘revenge fantasy’ is a storyline I am somewhat sick of seeing! If someone finds them cathartic or helpful, that is wonderful; and everyone is allowed to have different relationships with media. I just want to see other story lines, for a number of reasons.
‘Getting even’ with ones abuser/s isn’t always feasible. Whether through legal means, or taking matters into your own hands, victims/survivors don’t always have that ability. The statistics on SA show this very clearly- the rate of convictions is appallingly low. For many, their abuser may pass away before ever facing the consequences of their actions. In addition, people don’t always want justice/revenge. In many ways, leaving no space for your abuser is the most helpful thing to do. Others may not find revenge satisfying. Especially after the focus and limelight in media, the actual emotional impact maybe somewhat of a letdown. One persons suffering does not erase anothers. Seeing ones abuser be hurt, it doesn’t undo the damage they’ve done, nor does it necessarily stop them from hurting others in the future.
I am also not talking about measures taken that prevent anymore people being hurt, that ensure abusers won’t have anymore victims. There are absolutely some people whose freedom must be taken away for the safety of others. But I will always be more in favour of options that work to rehabilitate. My veiw on the application of the prison system is that it should be about protecting people, not punishing them. I am far more interested in a narrative that centres solely around recovery, around someone rebuilding their life and relationships with no room for the person who hurt them. That makes clear that the abuser was a big part of their past, but won’t be a big part of their present or future.
Let me make this clear- I am not saying that getting justice is bad. I am saying that it is not essential.
Storylines of revenge 100% have their place, but framing them as an essential step in the healing process is not helpful.
thinking abt critiquing the entire existence of the revenge trope as it pertains to pandoras vault,, someone hype me up i need the confidence boost
People need to learn what ‘human rights’ actually are. The whole point is they are inalienable. No matter what atrocities someone commits, they should never be taken away.
Human rights are not a privilege.
How did I just see someone only care abt the conditions in pandoras vault because of c!tommy being in there??? I hate twitter so much oh my goodness.
C!Dream affected not only by malnutrition, but but by a lack of sunlight.
When he first enters pandoras vault he’s doing, okay. Mentally and physically. Still shaken by his two canon deaths in quick succession, but he’s handling it.
But then he starts sleeping more (and it hurts because it reminds him of c!george). But sleeping is all he has to occupy himself, a way to make the time pass faster. He tries to keep his strength up, to exercise regularly, maintain his stamina, but it seems to get harder everyday. Not just because there’s no point, but physically. Fatigue plagues him every waking moment. He sleeps not because of its restorative effect, but because when hes sleeping, he doesn’t know just how tired he is.
Everything hurts. He can never find a comfortable position on the obsidian floor, but it’s more than that. His very bones ache. Muscle pain is constant, with no exertion to explain it. His legs cramp, his whole body does, despite it never happening to him previously.
When c!Quackity visits, things are worse then they should be. Hits that would have only bruised in the past now break bones. His wounds don’t heal like they used to. Infections set in easily. He can only watch as his body breaks down, is broken down, and one day he forgets what the sun looks like. Did its warm rays on his skin feel the same as the heat radiating of the lava? He can’t remember anymore.
Everything listed is an actual symptom of vitamin d deficiency! Not included is depression and mood swings. Add onto all that solitary confinement & malnutrition. 6 months of no sunlight is a Very Bad Thing.
C!dreams diet is not nutrionally sufficient. He has no source of vitamin A or B12. Whilst the latter cause extreme fatigue, the former cause vision problems, especially in low light conditions. He wouldn’t notice it in pandoras vault, not with the ever present lava, but afterwards he is so much more vulnerable. The night is an even bigger threat, and he carries a light source on him at all times.
C!dream learns to fear the night, the shadows, the unknown.
thinking abt critiquing the entire existence of the revenge trope as it pertains to pandoras vault,, someone hype me up i need the confidence boost
Are the c!dream antis ready to hear the research on solitary confinement yet or???
I don’t think anyone has to like c!dream. If hating him is how you enjoy the story-go for it! If the prison arc was cathartic for you, I’m glad the story could provide that.
But do not insult others for having a different view of the characters, and for the love of god don’t say that the torture and abuse he experienced was justified. Or at the very least, tag your crit.
Some people- the exile arc was harmful, it nearly drove c!tommy to suicide’
Me- ‘okay we can agree on that! And that the prison arc is also harmful because c!dream has been driven to suicide. Right?’
Some people- ‘no c!dream is a psychopath/ is incapable of feeling bad/ is only copying how c!tommy reacted/ is manipulating everyone/ deserves it.’
What. The. Fuck.
If you think c!dream deserves torture because ‘he doesn’t have any empathy’, you are not an ally to autistic people.
Top tip- avoid anyone who calls c!dream a psychopath.
It’s really fun being in a fandom who can’t decide what words mean. Apologist? Sympathiser? NO ONE CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS ON THE DEFINITION OF THESE WORDS! I see them completely swap meaning regularly- you can no longer just use the term, you also have to explain your interpretation of it.
A c!dream who, after prison, is fine.
He’s not really. Deep down he is so so hurt- but he doesn’t act like it. Because showing that he’s hurt, not just physically but emotionally, means that c!sam and c!quackity won. It means that other people will see his weakness, know that he’s an easy target. Now that he’s out, that he can see the sun, go a day without torture, he’s gotten himself under control. No more pathetic displays. (And maybe, c!dream doesn’t think he’s allowed to feel bad- are monsters entitled to emotions?)
Some people don’t believe that anything happened to c!dream at all. Prison was a mercy, one they’d been forced into granting him, and how dare anyone suggest he was hurt. Because who could remain that unaffected after torture?
Others think it’s true, see the evidence in c!dreams injuries, or a confession from c!sam or c!quackity. But it doesn’t matter. C!dream isn’t traumatised, so who cares? He was an un caring monster, a psychopath incapable of emotion. No one could hurt him, so it didn’t matter if they tried.
hey guys... just an idea... torture is, bad?
If anyone asks me abt the origin of my potato knowledge, how tf do I explain that it’s because of a green blob man???
what do you mean doing extensive research into the effects of a potato only diet isn’t normal? I know only c!dream angst
Currently sad that raw potatoes have vitamin c
:(
Fun fact- raw potatoes have high amounts of vitamin c. At least c!dream won’t get scurvy?
Why is dreblr the only place to consistently use character tags???
I just saw a post that started off with ‘wilbur doesn’t like dream...’ THEY MEANT CC!WILBUR DOESN’T LIKE C!DREAM ?? MAKE CLEAR DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN C AND CC HOW IS THIS NOT UNIVERSAL
Saying that someone is worthy of torture/ it won’t affect them because they are a ‘psychopath’ is Not Cool.
c!Dream burns his clock not only because it means he’ll see c!sam; but because he has to rid himself of his attachments.
If I see one more person say that c!dream was self harming for attention I am going to go apeshit
For anyone who enjoyed seeing c!dream ‘get what he deserved’ in pandoras vault- have you done any research into the prison industrial complex?
Dream does not need to be or act traumatised by his experience in prison in order for it to be wrong.
I’ve seen some people say that pandoras vault was fine until c!quackity started torturing c!dream.
Daily reminder that solitary confinement is a form of torture.
From now on I will be gatekeeping all villains from c!dream antis /hj