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This movie is a childhood favourite of mine and I LOVE that it's finally getting some recognition!!!!
More people need to talk about Katya and the color red and the subtlety of her expressions and how I am totally not a simp for her
can’t wait for the goncharov AUs of people’s blorbos to start showing up
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the passage of time is wack and i want to not think about it
Hey where can I find all the lore for goncharov? I wasn't here when it was going around and I want to know all the 'cannon' lore (if there is any) without having to sift through all of the people talking about how good of a prank it was.
Anyway if this post reaches 30000 notes I'll sit down and professionally film a Goncharov movie scene you can send to people who claim it's not real. This is completely serious, I've made movies before and I'm willing to do it for the memes.
So I’ve just seen Goncharov
And it was amazing, a true masterpiece. I’ve been looking at all the lovely meta people have posted on tumblr, and while some people have noted the fish metaphors, I’ve yet to find any detailed explanations for these.
Here I come, folks.
Across the movie we can select 3 important moments where fishes have a specific meaning, and all of them are associated with Katya :
the anchovies scene
that moment when Katya feed the goldfishes in Goncharov’s study
the scene when Goncharov is looking for his watch in the study, and where the fishbowl is pushed around
But what do they mean ?? Well, let me reframe the question : what kind of fishes are we really looking at ?
In the anchovies’ case, it’s all about food, how you consume it, and with whom. Anchovies were at first, like many overhyped delicacies, poor people’s food. Too small to be of use for noble families, and filled up with tiny bones (truly a pain in the ass to remove) : only the common people used to catch and eat them (mostly fermented, to add some proteins to simple meals).
Now, what does it tell us about our main characters ? Well, in that scene, Gonchariv and Katya (as mentioned by him) are pro anchovies. They are, like these small fishes, low born people full of sharp edges, and now seen as symbols of a new luxurious life-style.
In the fishbowl’s case, you’ll surely tell me “you dumbass it’s the goldfish scene, she’s feeding goldfishes ! Who cares ?” well my friend, it is you who’s a dumb of ass. If you had looked at them closely, you would have realized 2 things :
1. there are indeed two goldfishes in the first scene ;
2. the fishes in the second one have actually been replaced by Siamese fighting fish ;
For those who don’t know much about fishes, let me tell you a couple of things : goldfishes are not supposed to be kept in a small bowl, it’s very detrimental for their health to be kept in such a dire environment ! Wild goldfishes are actually quite big and have a lifespan averaging about 10-15 years !! Some can reach 30 years !!
What does it tell us about Katya ? Simple : like the fish, she’s kept in a toxic environment designed to utterly destroy her, and where she’s expected to be a pretty commodity to look at.
“Wait ! What about the fighting fish ?” you’ll undoubtedly recall. Indeed my friend, indeed…these fishes are very well named, since it’s quite common to witness siamese fish fighting each other. Actually, if you ever want to keep a couple of these beauties at home, it’s advised to keep them in separate tanks, to avoid any fights.
What’s told to us here, with this simple fish swapping, is that Katya went from being a cute dying goldfish, kept small by the world around her, to a feisty and dangerous warrior, ready to take down her own mate to control the pond.
another Goncharov 1973 thing I'm sorry
One day, someone is gonna have to explain to me what the hell goncharov is
Tony: What's the greatest movie ever made?
Peter: Probably Scorsese's Goncharov
Tony: You know Scorsese? Pretty impressed kid not gonna lie
Peter: Thanks mister Stark :), have you seen it? You really should watch it, I think you'll especially like Goncharov's character development
Tony: I haven't, I'll check it out
*Later*
Tony, on his laptop: THAT LITTLE SHIT-
Tiktok is obsessed with trying to create their own Goncharov. I've seen several attempts at it, and they all fall flat. It's one of those things where it's so pathetic it's funny.
Also, the inherent failure comes from the fact that it's always someone trying to make money off it.
Meanwhile, a bunch of people are making videos about fake discourse as though they're in the omegaverse, and that's amazing. I love that.
As of this writing, Goncharov has been added and removed from the Martin Scorsese filmography Wikipedia page 7 times.
damn i didnt realise the gonchin scene was so divisive? like ok maybe its a bit tonally dissonant but the music slaps
every time I see a post about That Movie I go “damn I should find this it’s gotta be streaming somewhere” and every time the truth smacks me in the face just like Katya’s bourbon smashed into Andrey’s shoulder that night by the river
That’s basically how Clue did it’s multiple endings, but each theatre got a different film reel
i see your “goncharov can’t be made into a real movie cause that would ruin it” and raise you; someone does make a real version of goncharov but films 3 or 4 different versions of each scene/plot point, and than mashes them up to create like 30 different versions of the same movie. it’s released in theaters under the guise of being a perfectly normal film, but every person who goes to see it sees a slightly different version, which will just increase the confusion and amount of unconnected lore. is that possible? probably not. but it would be hilarious.
This is my first time hearing about Zepotha can someone catch me up
the thing about zepotha is it's literally just the worse goncharov. they WISH they could be goncharov. but instead of making any actual content even if it's just a shitty photoshop edit theyre just going on other people's content and bombarding the comment section with omg you look just like maxine from zepotha!!!
i want to see edits scraped together from five different 80s slasher films, i want to see cosplays, fake movie posters, in depth slideshow analysis videos. COMMIT TO YOUR BIT
this goncharov thing is very funny to me SPECIFICALLY because when Welcome to Night Vale first came out I spent like three solid months thinking tumblr was doing THIS EXACT THING. i thought they made up a fuckin weird fake podcast and were making fake fan posts as a meme. in my DEFENSE… everything a fan might post about Night Vale sounds extra made up, like. it felt like tumblr was fucking with me. it wasn’t until FACEBOOK friends mentioned it that i thought “oh my god it exists”
The Goncharov meme is such a fun little spotlight on how people view media. Like, fake academic analysis about a movie that doesn't exist. Cool. But that's only the first level.
Next you have posts recreating a modern tumblr audience "discovering" an older piece of media and engaging with it through the lens of fan culture. Particularly tumblr-specific fan culture. Particularly in a way that feels like it got its blueprint from Dracula Daily. (Shitposts and memes, intense love for the most prominent female character, reads of complex romantic dynamics between characters, etc.)
Then you get fake discourse about the fake fan response to a fake movie that are quietly complaining about real ways real people respond to real media. I.e., America-centric readings, shallow, shipping-based readings, fans lionizing a protagonist not meant to be admired, etc.
(My personal favorite are posts that recreate the experience of being told a piece of media is so gay, you guys, only to watch it and find it isn't even remotely, that fans who wanted queer subtext wrung blood from a stone and thoroughly misled you.)
I also like the extra-meta ones about "this obscure movie being recently re-discovered," fake film history about copyright battles or the original cut being suppressed, etc. And of course, Johnny fucking Truant is here to give his editorial take on it, as he should be.
Pale Fire, House of Leaves, Goncharov. Humanity is such that every now and then we need to get really invested in fake arguments about a piece of media that doesn't exist.
Goncharov (1973) dir. Martin Scorsese
“The greatest mafia movie (n)ever made.”
I mean, we literally made up a movie before this all happened, right? Proof that Tumblr can keep itself entertained no matter what
Katya my beloved <333
i’m so glad we’re finally talking about Goncharov 1973 because Katya… Katya Goncharov… all i’m saying that dress up scene does shit to me
ok but one thing i love about goncharov is the ironic subversion of themes. like we have katya, the madonna-like character whose white palette screams of loyalty and purity, while andrey is the judas-like character whose motifs are the dagger and the poisoned cup.
but at the end, it’s katya who draws a gun on goncharov, and andrey who’s left holding his bleeding body in his arms. by having the “loyal wife” be the backstabber and the “doublecrosser” be the broken-hearted lover, scorsese subverts both biblical imagery and gender roles, and he does it in such a subtle and poetic way too, without taking away the complexity of either character.