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i could bring up the misogyny in calling cassie the incest author when grrm gets nothing but praise for the most incest riddled books i have ever seen but i don't think people who can't even grasp that cassie is using it as a literary tool are ready to hear that
Hey y’all! Myself and my friend noticed there was a big hole in the TSC fandom - namely, that there isn’t a Discord server for us all to come together and appreciate/freak out over our favourite Shadowhunters.
So we decided to fix it! Here is your official notice of the creation of The Downworld, a place for us to talk theories, go crazy over our beloved ships, worship those characters that maybe don’t get enough love fandom-wide, and of course, appreciate the absolute genius that is Cassandra Clare.
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if i see one more person take the boat scene, which is just another of the many scenes that slaps us in the face with the fact that jace is suicidal at this point in the series, and use it as a "that's straight?" thing for a jimon post i'm gonna pull out my hair.
i see it everywhere and it disgusts me.
Could it be Bat? 🤔😭😭
CASSIE JUST SAID THAT IN THE FIRST BOOK OF THE BOOK OF TWP WE SEE THE DEATH OF A CHARACTER WE HAVE KNOWN SINCE THE FIRST THREE BOOKS OF THE MORTAL INSTRUMENTS!!!!!😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
So, I may have forgotten to draw in the horns until after I colored the hair… oops. So Max has tiny black horns in this.
because that’s totally something he can do…
Not my best work, but I think it’s cute.
Drawn in October of 2023
I’m going to share some of my older sketches, now that I have a tumblr account. This is from October of 2022.
sobbing. kitty? more like christibs
but also, because i commented this on another post like this and i have decided to mention it here. i propose to you: chris and ty. its not kitty. its christy now.
Chris and Tibs sound like a dudebro homophobic homosexual versions of Kit and Ty.
SOBS.
There is one random thought that just hasn’t left my mind since we discovered that Kit still dreams about Ty.
The last scene that Kit narrates in QoAaD where he is looking down at Ty and he says how he was away from all the noise, and the he said he hated himself in that moment because he wanted to go down there and protect Ty from all the noise. And I KNOW I just KNOW that he’s had at least ONE dream in which he went against his better judgement and instead of leaving with Jem and Tessa, he went down there with Ty.
WAIIIIIIITTTTT JUST ONE MOMENT
HUHHHHHHHHHHH
with a few different people posting about their predictions for twp, a common thread I've noticed is there's usually something regarding Ty finding out about Kit being the First Heir.... I see we've all forgotten about Ty being up that tree lmao
yall, quick. whos read paradise lost (and biblical mythology?). we need 'em here stat
Okay, I’m just ridiculously curious about if/how you’re going to portray Lucifer in the upcoming TSC books, and I’m wondering if you can give us any info, snippets, anything about him and/or the other Princes of Hell. It’s probably too spoilery, and probably too early, for much of anything, but I’m really fascinated with how you’ve incorporated the Princes of Hell into the TSC world, as well as the other dimensions. I’d just love to know more. Thank you! Hope you’re doing well! ♥️
Hmmm. I don't think I can say specifically, but I can say that TWP is something of a return to the biblical/demonic mythos of The Mortal Instruments. A lot of what happens turns on various pieces of biblical mythology (since we're dealing with Lucifer!) and references to Paradise Lost/Dante.
frrrrrr
Idk about you but I’ve got the whole tlkof planned in my head, Cassie ain’t doing shit so I have to do it myself 😔✊
can yall tell im going CRAZY rn over all my theories. im piling em alllll up in my drafts andandandand--. ive got too many theories yall. theyre consuming me.
when the whole fandom is just geniuses lol
random thought I had the other day but never shared but. Ty lowkey parallels King David. I was thinking about QOAAD & the Battle on the Imperishable Fields, and how it's kinda weird Ty is mentioned multiple times to be using slingshot because that's not a typical shadowhunter weapon we see. then it occurred to me that literally a battle where giants show up and Ty helps "slay" them so to speak. like David & Goliath, which is also previously mentioned in QOAAD by Emma
where Julian's words are equated to David's stones. and by the way, David is said to have five stone and who's the fifth Blackthorn to try & speak to Julian & Emma? Ty. and this is what happens when he does.
not only that but King David of David & Goliath fame is also the David of (biblical) David & Jonathan fame, which the parabatai law draws inspiration from. aka the thing actively going wrong at that very moment. Biblical Jonathan also dies btw. and you wanna know what the icing on the the cake is? David's dad's name is Jesse.
theres no way this isn't a purposeful reference but I have no idea if it's like. just CC having fun or something that had Implications. food for thought.
oh yeah how could i forget:
zara dies (please.)
manuel dies (im so upset (/lh) the only spanish character is evil. why. ill have to settle for gideon and thomas's visits to spain ToT)
honestly, most of the cohort centurions die
please theyre all bigoted dickheads
Predictions for twp: (this is basically just me manifesting, some random theories, and the occasional actual prediction)
Kit gives Jessa a heart attack (this ones a given)
kitty horrendously, hopelessly, completely and utterly fail to communicate for majority of the first book
dru forgets ash exists. again. x2.
kitty kiss in first book (pLEASE-)
morgenthorn kiss in first book (...am i pushing it a bit?)
...herongraystairs??? (pleasepleaseplease)
Thule!Ty (i saw this cool post abt thule being a 'cracked mirror' of the og world, so livvy mightve tried to revive ty instead of vice versa?), OR
Lucifer somehow possesses Ty (honestly considering the dream this seems more and more likely...)
In relation to that, maybe ty reviving (reghosting?? re-kinda-viving?) livvy opened up a way for lucifer to enter their world, or possess ty? maybe it left him 'unprotected', maybe it made a tear in the divide between worlds, smth like that (based on this)
Too many serious ones, time for some sillies: clace and/or sizzy wedding (this ones more 'light-hearted' than 'silly', but eh)
alec is completely done. hes so over it. sick of their bs.
magnus is also done w the sh's bs, like he is in every book, and like in every book he contradicts his most recent claim that he will not deal with whatevers next and helps. and then says again that hell leave them to deal with whatevers next themselves. which he will definitely not do.
Magnus shows up (again) (guaranteed) (true main character tbh) (hes shown up in every. single. book. yes, even the companion books) (cant complain tho <333)
This post. ive gotta include it. its a pattern by now, and theyre gonna be in faerie, sooo....
kitty angry first kiss. imagine. like, "u hate me, you dont love me back!" "ffs i do!" *smooshes faces together* (can yall tell im tired??? im going craaazyyyyy)
ohh yeah and... ash and jamie rivalry-ish, except its a bit one-sided and ash is deffo more determined than jamie
cc is gonna leave us on a cliffhanger for one duo and then switch to the other. from morgenthorn to kitty to morgenthorn to kitty again and again at the most inopportune moments. well b on the edge of our seats the entire time istg
I... think thats it??? anyways stay tuned for the part two thats probs coming
Predictions for twp: (this is basically just me manifesting, some random theories, and the occasional actual prediction)
Kit gives Jessa a heart attack (this ones a given)
kitty horrendously, hopelessly, completely and utterly fail to communicate for majority of the first book
dru forgets ash exists. again. x2.
kitty kiss in first book (pLEASE-)
morgenthorn kiss in first book (...am i pushing it a bit?)
...herongraystairs??? (pleasepleaseplease)
Thule!Ty (i saw this cool post abt thule being a 'cracked mirror' of the og world, so livvy mightve tried to revive ty instead of vice versa?), OR
Lucifer somehow possesses Ty (honestly considering the dream this seems more and more likely...)
In relation to that, maybe ty reviving (reghosting?? re-kinda-viving?) livvy opened up a way for lucifer to enter their world, or possess ty? maybe it left him 'unprotected', maybe it made a tear in the divide between worlds, smth like that (based on this)
Too many serious ones, time for some sillies: clace and/or sizzy wedding (this ones more 'light-hearted' than 'silly', but eh)
alec is completely done. hes so over it. sick of their bs.
magnus is also done w the sh's bs, like he is in every book, and like in every book he contradicts his most recent claim that he will not deal with whatevers next and helps. and then says again that hell leave them to deal with whatevers next themselves. which he will definitely not do.
Magnus shows up (again) (guaranteed) (true main character tbh) (hes shown up in every. single. book. yes, even the companion books) (cant complain tho <333)
This post. ive gotta include it. its a pattern by now, and theyre gonna be in faerie, sooo....
kitty angry first kiss. imagine. like, "u hate me, you dont love me back!" "ffs i do!" *smooshes faces together* (can yall tell im tired??? im going craaazyyyyy)
ohh yeah and... ash and jamie rivalry-ish, except its a bit one-sided and ash is deffo more determined than jamie
cc is gonna leave us on a cliffhanger for one duo and then switch to the other. from morgenthorn to kitty to morgenthorn to kitty again and again at the most inopportune moments. well b on the edge of our seats the entire time istg
I... think thats it??? anyways stay tuned for the part two thats probs coming
oh no he deffo just disappears. goes poof. hell be on his roadtrip w ty, chilling (as much as he can considering, yk. everything), and back home jessa will be freaking tf out, thinking hes been kidnapped (or kitnapped- k ill go see myself out) or smth
You know what I’m really curious about? How the fuck will Jessa let Kit go with Ty?? JUST LIKE THAT??? They’ve been protecting him for years with all the wards and stuff and they will just agree to let him go for probably a crazily dangerous (for him at least) mission??? There has to be smth to it, either Kit just disappears from home or idkkkkkk
no but the fact that this happens either way. like people say "oh cc has a weird obsession w incest, even excluding clace what abt herongraystairs or blackstairs or-" stfu. like herongraystairs isnt even CANNON yet i see it used as an argument against cc.
just bc ppl grow up together doesnt mean its incest if it get together. childhood friends to lovers is such a popular trope, do u rlly think that all of those ppl are into incest? no. cause it isnt.
(also, the "men cant be friends anymore" thing. like, no, not if theyre THAT fruity. that aint friendship that be gayship.)
everyday i thank god tsc isn't mainstream because i don't think i'd able to survive dudebros claiming will and jem are brothers and that shipping herongraystairs is weird. "men can't be friends anymore" no jeff, they can't
also, always find it surreal when i see ppl talk abt cc's books and, yk, not being crazy abt them. like, what. what. r we talking abt the same books rn???
ppl being normal abt tsc is so wild. how r u not obsessed w it? how have u not hunted down every detail abt it? read every book u can? (yes, all 17 (released) novels and 6 companion books). memorised every single piece of info abt a series that isnt even out yet?
being a fan of a normal author who is not Cassandra Clare must be so boring. like you follow their insta where they post the singular commission of their main characters they made as promo for a book that comes out in a month. you hear down the grapevine that they teased a new book at an event so you know to look out for it to preorder. after finishing a trilogy you hope that maybe they will write a short story follow up or have them briefly appear in a future spin off. and then you move on with your life and pick up the next book. it's like a different world.
if we get Kit calling Jem dad in tlkof i will be sobbing
everyone panicking over Cassandra Clare saying a character we met in the first three tmi books will die in the first twp book 😭 which is understandable but I felt like we should keep in mind the book is literally called The Last King of Faerie and we first were introduced to the Seelie Queen in City of Ashes.... like shes kinda doomed it has to be her I fear
tsc au where will goes into faerie, pops out like 100 years later, and boom herongraystairs live happily ever after
the way time works in Faerie always does my head in like wdym sometimes it goes faster than the outside world and sometimes it goes slower.... like huh 😭
however I have always wondered if you could use Faerie to time travel. like you lowkey can time travel into the future if time is moving quickly, is it possible to also go back in time?? you would need to know what your doing/be powerful enough to manipulate it right but like.... is that a thing you could theoretically do
yk ive seen lots of jokes abt how kit would describe ty as beautiful, (mentally) write flippin poetry about how he looks, assist in necromancy for him, and yet still think theyre just good friends. which i love, its hilarious, BUT.
im p sure he Knows™. like, he vaguely refers to his feelings not being fully platonic throughout qoaad. most notably, when he thinks abt the reasons why he no longer thinks abt being parabatai w ty, and at the end hes like, "maybe it was something else, but he pushed away from the thought"
which, yk. what else, kit? 👀 what else? 👀👀 kinda sus yk 👀👀 i mean whats the primary reason ppl cant b parabatai 👀👀 one u dont want to think abt 👀👀 what the smth else, kit? 👀👀👀
I feel bad after that last post, so let’s talk about something happy that Cassandra also said in that live. Thais Pedroso is confirmed to be pansexual AND she has a love interest in the TWP. Also, she said that it may or may not be someone we already know. 👀
Make your guesses.
PLEASE.
Give me Tiberius Blackthorn gay panicking over Kit or give me death
I NEED his reactions to older brother Kit, softened by love Kit, denim jacket Kit, finally eating well and getting sunlight Kit who probably looks even better than when Ty first fell in love Kit
GIVE ME GIVE ME GIVE ME
im gonna kms /j
CASSIE JUST SAID THAT IN THE FIRST BOOK OF THE BOOK OF TWP WE SEE THE DEATH OF A CHARACTER WE HAVE KNOWN SINCE THE FIRST THREE BOOKS OF THE MORTAL INSTRUMENTS!!!!!😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
i have returned after spending the past like... 2 days reading qoaad whenever i had free time? which was, unfortunately, not a lot, so i took a while
so, basically, ive finished the whole of qoaad in two days, and now have nothing to read bc the wait time for sword catcher on my library's libby app is 6 weeks
but regardless, i will never be the same again. qoaad has changed me, yall. i dont think i will ever recover from kitty. i wait even more impatiently now for twp
also, ive almost read every book in the series (that isnt a kickstarter)! now ive just gotta read notable shadowhunters & denizens of the underworld (not the updated one bc, again, i dont have any of the kickstarter books. sob 😭.)
Asmodeus looked astonished. “You mean—”
“Yes,” said Sammael. “I want to talk about Lucifer.”
yall... YALL...
THEYRE PULLING OUT THE BIG GUNS
LUCIFER REVEAL