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We all know that Halenthir has impeccable vibes, but no one can convince me that Haleth isn't a raging lesbian. Luckily, there's an obvious solution to this problem: transfem Caranthir. In this essay I will-
i am currently taking a course on spanish dialects and yesterday we talked about "voseo" which in oversimplified terms is a variation in 2nd person informal pronouns and verbs, e.g. tú tienes -> vos tenís. the rules and commonality of voseo depend largely on the region, so in some places it is the default, in some places it is not used or barely used at all, and in some places it is a complicated little shit (for example, here in chile, you will sometimes hear the tú pronoun with the vos form of the verb, e.g. tú tenís, and the vos pronoun is reserved for Very familiar or informal situations).
my knowledge of quenya grammar is pre-elementary, so everything i am about to say is based exclusively on what i think would be fun, but!!!! let's go back to valinor in the years of the trees. while i'm pretty sure tolkien never made a distinction between formal/informal 2nd person in quenya, i do think the noldor would have naturally created one (they were big fans of their monarchy which would lead to quite the hierarchical society, they canonically mess around w grammatical rules for fun, and i also can't imagine they wouldn't employ a high level of formality when speaking to the ainur or at least the valar in particular).
now, i am a big fan of the hc that fëanor created the exclusive 1st person plural in quenya (as in "WE do this but YOU the listener do NOT") so he could make subtle grammatical jabs at indis and her kids. we also know the fëanorians used linguistic differences as political markers (see: shibboleth of fëanor). ALL THIS TO SAY, i think fëanor also created a quenya equivalent of voseo. it's not an exact equivalent because of historical context and reasoning for the shift in spanish, but suspend ur disbelief. here's what i think happened in quenya:
c. the noldor's arrival in valinor, they introduced a formal 2nd person form ("usted" for the sake of comparing this to spanish) (this was probably also picked up by the vanyar, if u care) (i will think about telerin languages another day, i'm already giving myself a headache)
fëanor, in an effort to distinguish his house and followers from the rest of the finwëans (specifically the nolofinwëans bc this is fëanor we're talking about), introduced a More Familiar informal 2nd person (see: chilean voseo) used only among the fëanorians
fëanorian "voseo" functions very similarly to chilean voseo overall. the pronoun itself is reserved for very informal/familiar contexts, close relationships, etc, but the VERB takes over from the standard informal form ("tú" conjugations) in the fëanorian dialect as another political marker
so for example, fëanor would "vos tenís" his kids, but "tú tenís" fingolfin's kids
i am inclined to say that this shift happens after the unchaining of melkor, when the political divide is a lot more dramatic, and therefore the whole thing is very controversial, but definitely is the standard in formenos during the exile
could also be used for dramatic effect
imagine the scenes if fëanor addressed fingolfin w the Fëanorian Super Informal Pronoun in "get thee gone and take thy due place"
imagine the scenes if fingolfin addressed fëanor w the Fëanorian Super Informal Pronoun in "thou shalt lead and i will follow"!!!!!
the fëanorians in beleriand definitely preserved this, bc of course they did
whether this phenomenon exists in other languages besides quenya i am unsure
i am too exhausted after all that to write any sort of proper conclusion. i hope it made sense. feel free to ask questions or add things on. live laugh linguistics
On that note though
Colin Spencer is Maglor lolol
Danael from Is It Love? is Celegorm from The Silmarillion. Change my mind.
Quick question Silmarillion peeps! How do you pronounce Russandol?? Is it RUH-san-dol or ROO-san-dol??
Something something about Curufin really resembling Fëanor. Sometimes Curufin catches his brothers looking at him weirdly. Like, really weird. Maglor standing in the doorway with tears in his eyes while Curufin plays with Tyelpe, softly singing the same songs Fëanor used to hum to them as kids. Or Maedhros going completely silent—teary-eyed silent—after Curufin delivers a fiery political rant they absolutely don’t agree on. Tyelko weirdly saying a soft “thank you” (with a smile, no less) when Curufin quietly replaces his worn-out arrows with new ones. Even Caranthir showing up at the forge, saying nothing at all, just standing there until Curufin asks what’s up and all he says is, “I like watching you work.”
It used to weird him out. Now he kinda gets it. They weren't looking at him at these times... they were seeing echoes. He accepts it. His brothers' pain is the same as his.
Ah yes, the Seven Genocidal Sons of Feanor -
Helen of Troy, Beyoncé, Bear Grylls, Scrooge McDuck, Nikola Tesla and the Grady twins
Whoever mentioned a post about going to war and meeting Maglor is like going to war and meeting Beyoncé, I love you lmao- Now consider, going to war and meeting Maedhros, which is basically like going to war and meeting the world's top super-model✨
tag yourself im life is dragging me along by the thong
Tak pravil Maedhros v přísaze, || So spoke Maedhros in the oath, stejně Maglor, jehož každý zná, || As did Maglor, who is known by all, Celegorm, Curufin taktéž, || Celegorm and Curufin as well, dvojčata, Caranthir. || The twins and Caranthir. Kdo přísahu slyšel, zachvěl se, || Whoever heard the oath trembled, zazní slova nezrušitelná, || The irrevocable words rang, lhostejno, co pravda, co lež, || Whether they were right or wrong je nedobytný cíl. || Their goal cannot be reached.
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